RE: [WSG] New Project - Feedback Appreciated

2007-03-07 Thread michael.brockington
In what way do you think that SPANs are better than DIVs? My understanding was that they were both entirely neutral, and at exactly the same level as each other, simply that one is a block by default, while the other is inline. Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [WSG] Simple to use page layout 'tool' ?

2007-03-12 Thread michael.brockington
Sounds like a job for the likes of Visio, or Illustrator. Since you don't appear to need anything functional, I would avoid the complexities of NVU or Dreamweaver. You would need to spend five minutes providing the basic shapes, but then it is all down to the user. Mike -Original

RE: [WSG] Teaching CSS

2007-03-19 Thread michael.brockington
Can I just mention, that if you can possibly find the time, then _do_ try and teach things to your colleague; nothing else is as good for ironing out any issues in your own knowledge as having someone else saying but why? This may sound daft, but trust me, it always works for me. Mike

RE: [WSG] handling accessible form

2007-04-23 Thread michael.brockington
On the other hand, relying on the form data to indicate which fields to validate may be dangerous - a malicious user may rename the field before submission, potentially bypassing your security. Regards, Mike *** List Guidelines:

RE: [WSG] wa state guidlines question

2007-05-10 Thread michael.brockington
Perhaps I did not make myself clear - what every script of this nature does is remove the need for an 'inline' onClick event handler, by programmatically inserting the exact same handler after the document has loaded, by searching for some attribute of the link. While this does a good job of

RE: [WSG] Acronym tag usage

2007-05-10 Thread michael.brockington
Since most web pages are skimmed rather than being read in a traditional, linear fashion, it makes sense to use the full tag and attributes on every occasion. The traditional, print-based method was to only expand the abbreviation/acronym on first use, to save space, but this does not apply to an

RE: [WSG] Acronym tag usage

2007-05-10 Thread michael.brockington
That is a good point, though again it is assuming that the page will be read in a fully linear fashion. Depending on the nature of the page, a compromise of the first time per 'section' might be better. Again compare with a printed page where it is relatively easy for a sighted person to pick

RE: [WSG] wa state guidlines question

2007-05-10 Thread michael.brockington
I can't make up my mind whether you are agreeing with me here or disagreeing? The important point is that this type of script assumes that no JavaScript == screen reader which is patent nonsense. It also assumes that screen reader users are the only ones who might dislike pop-ups, which is even

RE: [WSG] Photo gallery markup semantics

2007-05-23 Thread michael.brockington
I think the primary issue you have here is the assertion that Images, however artistic they may be, qualify as 'data'. I cannot see that connection, and therefore cannot agree with the use of a table. Further, the 'relationship' between two images may change if they are moved, but the 'meaning'

RE: [WSG] Accessible Photoshop and flash

2007-05-29 Thread michael.brockington
Marvin, I for one don't really understand what it is that you are trying to achieve, but then that may partly be the language barrier! Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of marvin hunkin Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 3:04 AM

RE: [WSG] Recommended screen size

2007-06-04 Thread michael.brockington
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Novitski Fortunately we can aim stylesheets specifically at handheld devices, Sure we can aim, but I think anyone who has spent half an hour or more looking into this will tell you that you will

RE: [WSG] obj height: css + js

2007-06-04 Thread michael.brockington
Marc, It is pretty trivial to use JavaScript to 'measure' the height of a window / viewport - you should be able to find plenty of articles that describe the details, if you Google carefully. From what I remember, all browsers will give you this data in pixels, regardless of how the element you

RE: [WSG] Print style sheets

2007-06-08 Thread michael.brockington
Generally speaking, my advice would be to use print styles as part of the main stylesheet setup (possibly but not necessarily a separate CSS file) By tying your print-friendly styles to a script of any kind, you are forcing the user to find that link and be able to use it, in order to gain the

RE: [WSG] WCAG Samurai Errata

2007-06-08 Thread michael.brockington
If you use JS to write specific styles to the document, there should be nothing popping in and out. --- Regards, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com How do you work that one out? Javascript cannot run until the page has (mostly) loaded, so I can vouch for getting a 'flash of extra content' on

RE: [WSG] Page Structure

2007-06-28 Thread michael.brockington
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph Taylor Its a matter of convention. And demanded by WCAG When we write documents, we always put the big heading up top and go down from there. Its simple habit. Agreed. Of course the

RE: [WSG] Page Structure

2007-06-28 Thread michael.brockington
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Crockford Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 1:48 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Page Structure [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course the branding shouldn't be an h1. Totally disagree.

RE: [WSG] Skip to Content?

2007-06-29 Thread michael.brockington
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sander Aarts Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:20 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Skip to Content? I alway make skip links to all major parts of the page, being the different levels of

RE: [WSG] Skip to Content?

2007-07-02 Thread michael.brockington
I think you missed the major point of the last reply - do you have any evidence that what you are doing _does_ make things easier for AT users? Many of the other good ideas that people have had, have been proved to be counter-productive, such as access keys that conflict with OS shortcuts. I have

RE: [WSG] Skip to Content?

2007-07-02 Thread michael.brockington
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Gleitzman Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 1:08 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Skip to Content? On 30 Jun 2007, at 9:58 AM, Sander Aarts wrote: So you don't care at all about

RE: [WSG] Shadow validation

2007-07-10 Thread michael.brockington
Not sure about the 1.X series, but text shadow is supported in Safari 2.X - I have been using it for quite a while, and love it. Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lucien Stals Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 4:32 AM To:

RE: [WSG] To target or not

2007-07-13 Thread michael.brockington
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Jeffery Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 8:32 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] To target or not Id say dont use pop-ups, nobody likes them

RE: [WSG] To target or not

2007-07-20 Thread michael.brockington
If your banking site relies on a new window for its security, then it is time to get a new bank! In this day and age when every major browser has tabbed browsing, there is little that is more infuriating than have a new browser window spawned for no reason - worst of all is when I 'middle-click'

RE: [WSG] Re: please avoid forcing people to open pdf in browser!

2007-07-20 Thread michael.brockington
Saying that PDF's are needed by Government Websites is a very circular argument for allowing them - why are they needed? In my experience it is only ever because of laziness or poorly designed workflows, and as you point out, we all hate them, especially when they cannot be opened/read. Mike

RE: [WSG] Re: please avoid forcing people to open pdf in browser!

2007-07-20 Thread michael.brockington
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I love web standard and practice it with the best of my ability, Nice to know, very glad to hear it. and I love PDF too - use it, create it, deliver it So somewhat biased then... PDF can be accessible, not in the sense of web

RE: [WSG] Using target=_blank

2007-07-24 Thread michael.brockington
How about asking the client if they want a 'modern' web site or an old-fashioned one? Assuming they ask for the former, then inform them that it is not possible to have pop-up windows of any kind. Also mention pop-up blockers and ask if they want to be 'that kind of site' Mike -Original

RE: [WSG] Using target=_blank

2007-07-25 Thread michael.brockington
That has to be just about the nastiest version of all - I click a link and get a new window. Fine, not what I wanted, but there was that other link that looked interesting, I'll just go back to the first window and open a few more links before I read that page. Hey! Where did they all go! Number

RE: [WSG] Usefulness of JSDoc

2007-07-25 Thread michael.brockington
-Original Message- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Wong I personally wouldn't use it for production websites because it inflates the size of the Javascript file, therefore forcing the user to download more. Also it would tempt others to steal code by making it easy to

RE: [WSG] (X)HTML Best Practice Sheet goes live - correct link

2007-08-11 Thread michael.brockington
I'm afraid this doesn't give me much confidence when your label for HTML5 is (X)HTML 5 One of the major points about HTML5 is that it is _not_ XML based. Second point would be what do you mean by Block(ish)? Regards, Mike ***

RE: [WSG] When is invalid CSS okay?

2007-08-22 Thread michael.brockington
Are you serving up your hacked stylesheet to everyone, or just to those crippled by IE? The latter is far more acceptable than the former, in my opinion. Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Lecoat Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007

RE: [WSG] inability to line up elements in a print style sheet

2007-08-22 Thread michael.brockington
You may want to double-check you maths - I make it around 800px high at 72dpi: 295mm / 25.4mm = 11 inches * 72 dpi ~ 800px after margins. Mike From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rachel Campbell Sent: Wednesday,

RE: [WSG] When is invalid CSS okay?

2007-08-23 Thread michael.brockington
I think that a more appropriate example would be using: -moz-border-radius Any validator should tell you that this is non-standard, but it is up to you to decide whether or not to use it. Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of

RE: A: [WSG] Target Lawsuit - Please Make Yourself Heard

2007-10-04 Thread michael.brockington
In 2000, Bruce Maguire's accessibility complaint against the Olympics.com website was upheld. Did this lead to a spate of frivolous, discriminatory lawsuits in Australia? Did it lead to any improvement in accessibility of commercial, government or hobby web sites in Australia? Did it

RE: [WSG] Cost of Accessibility

2007-10-08 Thread michael.brockington
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Woods Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 4:01 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Cost of Accessibility Standards compliance doesn't automatically guarantee an accessible site ... And

RE: [WSG] Cost of Accessibility

2007-10-08 Thread michael.brockington
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Lauke Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 4:30 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Cost of Accessibility And here's me thinking that WCAG 1.0 _WAS_ a web standard !? Guideline, not

RE: [WSG] Catch 22 list problem

2007-10-12 Thread michael.brockington
How hard would it be to have the list start with two empty elements, removed from view in what ever way works best? Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Philippe Wittenbergh Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 3:22 AM To:

RE: [WSG] Catch 22 list problem

2007-10-13 Thread michael.brockington
I can see what you mean, however that would depend to a degree on what the list-number actually represents: perhaps the OP could give us a little more context? Anyway, no-one has spotted a good answer to this problem, so I merely offered this idea for discussion, as an alternative to other bad

RE: [WSG] Catch 22 list problem

2007-10-14 Thread michael.brockington
Certainly for this example, the use of an ordered list is incorrect - there is a strong hint there in the description; this should be marked up with p tags, with the identifier as the first bit of text, ie the number is content in this example. If you think about it, the 'label' of each item

RE: [WSG] Rounded Courners .... Your Take

2007-10-31 Thread michael.brockington
Strictly speaking, it is the browsers that are at fault - Safari/WebKit supports multiple background images, and FireFox/Camino et al. all support rounded corners via border-radius. In both cases this is (basically) according to the CSS spec. In many cases, I use border-radius: this is purely

RE: [WSG] SIte Maps?

2007-11-19 Thread michael.brockington
For the sake of clarity; can you please confirm whether you are referring to machine-readable site-maps for the benefit of Google etc.; or to human-readable site-maps for the benefit of your human visitors? Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Designer Sent:

RE: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part

2007-12-14 Thread michael.brockington
I presume it is okay with you then if MS starts up their own PC Support business? Sorry 'Computer Consultancy'? Assuming it is, do you mind if they then advertise it heavily, force users to sign up to it before they can use Windows, undercut other operators, etc. etc.? It is precisely because

RE: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part

2007-12-14 Thread michael.brockington
John Faulds wrote: I can't see that flying. Is anyone going to ask Apple to stop shipping their OS with Safari? It may no longer be the case, (since there is no supported version available) but Apple DID include Internet Explorer on all Apple Mac's, even when Safari became available. What's

RE: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part

2007-12-17 Thread michael.brockington
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Horowitz Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 2:18 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Opera files antitrust against MS: standards one part Ask yourself where have you ever seen

RE: [WSG] File comparison tool for Dreamweaver CS3

2007-12-17 Thread michael.brockington
Have you looked at UltraCompare, a close cousin of the excellent UltraEdit ? Mike *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL

RE: [WSG] Developing for Mac Browsers

2008-01-14 Thread michael.brockington
Now fire up Safari and Camino side-by-side, and notice how both browsers display form elements the way that the user expects - nice and shiny, rounded blue - easy to tell apart from the occasional You are infected etc pop-ups with an image of a Windows button. This is because the form elements

RE: [WSG] Where did I come from?

2008-01-18 Thread michael.brockington
If the back button doesn't work, then I think you will find that history.go won't work either. Mike From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alexey Ten Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 2:41 PM To:

RE: [WSG] This IE8 controversy

2008-01-30 Thread michael.brockington
One question that I have yet to see anyone ask is: How good will IE8 actually be? If it is perfect, then there is no need to worry about future versions... I also haven't seen anyone mention the fact that we have yet to get rid of IE5 completely - I know of at least one large organisation (not my

RE: [WSG] hello

2008-02-12 Thread michael.brockington
Basically, there is no difference. Web 2 is basically just marketing-speak, loosely meaning The Currently Fashionable Thing Regards, Mike From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gitanjali Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 1:21 PM To:

RE: [WSG] IE8 news

2008-03-07 Thread michael.brockington
I use XP on two different corporate networks. Both have auto-update blocked, and will remain on IE6 for the foreseeable future. I don't think this is uncommon, but we will need to wait and see. Until now, the general practice appears to be to support the latest two versions of IE, but I think for

RE: [WSG] Spolsky on IE8 flag

2008-03-19 Thread michael.brockington
-Original Message- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick H. Lauke In the real world where people are imperfect, you can't have a standard with just a spec-you must have a super-strict reference implementation, and everybody has to test against the reference implementation.

RE: [WSG] Safari 3.1 OSX Safari 3.1 Windows

2008-03-25 Thread michael.brockington
That would depend on what you consider significant - some of the most irritating issues are due to relatively tiny bugs. Safari has essentially the same codebase on both Windows and OSX, but the OS is always going to be responsible for some functions. For an example, consider the well-known

RE: [WSG] Software to read aloud web pages (targetted at literacy issues not vision issues)

2008-04-04 Thread michael.brockington
This has been possible on every Apple Mac for the last fifteen years or so, and you have the option of changing the voice if you want, unfortunately the good versions that are available for Windows are all relatively expensive. Regards, Mike -Original Message- Someone's asked me about

RE: [WSG] Dreamweaver8

2008-04-07 Thread michael.brockington
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] one thing I miss about dreamweaver is that you can do a 'search all' and get a list of all instances of the thing you are searching for rather than cycling through a 'find...find...find...' list. So far it's the only program I've used that

[WSG] RE: NVU

2008-04-08 Thread michael.brockington
Don't mean to be negative, but NVU is a pretty poor choice: even its own home page admits that! (Last release was 2005, and that should never have been classed as version 1, and no development work being undertaken.) As far as I can see, the best choice on the open source route is SeaMonkey.

RE: [WSG] How to make diagonal lines change color?

2008-04-11 Thread michael.brockington
Do I understand this right: you want the background to change, as the mouse passes over one of these diagonal lines - or just when the user mouses over any part of the background? Mike From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of

RE: [WSG] How to make diagonal lines change color?

2008-04-11 Thread michael.brockington
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stuart Foulstone Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 9:40 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] How to make diagonal lines change colour? Hi, From a usability and accessibility point of view doing

RE: [WSG] How to make diagonal lines change color?

2008-04-11 Thread michael.brockington
That sounds very complex to achieve, if it is possible: As things stand, the lines you are talking about don't actually exist, they are an artefact of the tiled bb image you are using (nb, the effect was too subtle for me to see on the first machine I viewed your site on) - to do what you

RE: [WSG] accessibility and brower compatibility for Kiosk mode?

2008-04-16 Thread michael.brockington
Tee, It sounds like you are having a bit of difficulty with the 'Accessibility' label here: Accessibility is just one branch of Usability, neither of which ever go away completely. I used to do quite a lot of touch-screen kiosk development, but I know that things have moved on a little since

RE: [WSG] accessibility and brower compatibility for Kiosk mode?

2008-04-16 Thread michael.brockington
2) Is there anything I can use to replace the checkbox for the Kiosk? It needs to be large but from my testing, I can't make it larger by adding paddings, width and height. Not to mention this won't work with Safari and Camino (they have another web version for the same section ) Have you

RE: [WSG] accessibility and brower compatibility for Kiosk mode?

2008-04-17 Thread michael.brockington
Please help me with another question, with multiple list menu, we use 'ctrl' and 'Ctrl + shift' to select multiple options, how does this work with touch screen? tee Unless you have a keyboard, it probably doesn't work. Some touchscreens (try) to let you do dragging and stuff, but I think

RE: [WSG] accessibility and brower compatibility for Kiosk mode?

2008-04-22 Thread michael.brockington
In a word, Yes. Some people will try and drag the 'thumb' of the bar, which as I mentioned last time may not be possible at all. Others will just try and use the up and down arrows, which could be painful for a long list, especially if the calibration of the touchscreen is at all problematic

RE: Re[2]: [WSG] accessible client side form validation

2008-04-24 Thread michael.brockington
If I may be permitted to be pedantic for a moment, I believe that JavaScript may be used to provide Assistance with Validation (So you are both correct...) Security can only ever be _reliably_ provided on the server side, but validation of user input is perfectly acceptable as client side code,

RE: [WSG] IE8 beta's a nightmare

2008-04-29 Thread michael.brockington
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Jeffery Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 10:23 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] IE8 beta's a nightmare snip What developer on this planet is going to take advantage of a feature thats been put

RE: [WSG] IE8 beta's a nightmare

2008-04-29 Thread michael.brockington
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Harris Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 10:48 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] IE8 beta's a nightmare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That would be pragmatic Intranet developers, who know

RE: [WSG] valid video in (x)html?

2008-04-30 Thread michael.brockington
And if JavaScript is turned off? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Persson Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 7:37 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] valid video in (x)html? My experience tells that Videos and

RE: [WSG] [OT] Posting [was:Best way to hide form legends?]

2008-05-01 Thread michael.brockington
Maybe for you, but for many of us, a carefully edited reply makes perfect sense. Failing to ever truncate a conversation may be wasteful, but even then, by top-posting you allow people to easily check previous messages that have since been deleted. The message that you are quoting was neither

RE: [WSG] Accessibility for HTML Email

2008-05-16 Thread michael.brockington
I'm guessing you don't actually administer a corporate size spam-filtering 'solution' do you? (The word solution should really be in quadruple quotes, 'cos it ain't one.) Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick H. Lauke Sent:

RE: [WSG] [OT] users - IT literate?

2008-05-16 Thread michael.brockington
Have to disagree with you there - just because some people do it for a good reason doesn't mean that the illiterate aren't. Certain people that I know, type the full, exact URL for a site into the Google search box in the middle of the page, wait for the results to load, then click the first link

RE: [WSG] Fwd: using fieldsets and legends (outside a form) for adding structural markup

2008-05-22 Thread michael.brockington
Judging by how quickly you replied, I am doubtful that you managed to test every browser version known to mankind before you replied - one or two combinations doesn't really make effective proof! In any case, is this just a case of the browser inserting what it thinks should be there, as with

RE: [WSG] a question concering shopping cart function (somewhat usability issue I think)

2008-05-22 Thread michael.brockington
My advice would be to try as hard as you can NOT to sell accessibility. Sell your overall services, but mention that your competitors 'tend' to leave their customers vulnerable to law suits, exclude customers for no good reason, etc. Tell your clients that your competitors are literally

RE: [WSG] Fwd: using fieldsets and legends (outside a form) for adding structural markup

2008-05-22 Thread michael.brockington
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hassan Schroeder Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 2:27 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Fwd: using fieldsets and legends (outside a form) for adding structural mark-up Au contraire, one is

RE: [WSG] Fwd: using fieldsets and legends (outside a form) for adding structural markup

2008-05-23 Thread michael.brockington
No, its not. In this case, if any single browser breaks a related script, then the mark-up cannot be used - working on the majority is not enough to make it viable. Does that mean we should drop the ABBR element because IE can't handle it properly? In what way is that the same as the

RE: [WSG] accessibility/usability in a poll: check a radio button when focusing on a text input field

2008-05-23 Thread michael.brockington
It MIGHT be possible to use CSS alone to show/hide the text field depending on the last option being clicked, but it would need a lot of testing. It would certainly be far easier to do this in JS, and as this is only an enhancement, not required functionality, I don't see an issue with doing

RE: [WSG] Fwd: using fieldsets and legends (outside a form) for adding structural markup

2008-05-26 Thread michael.brockington
Thierry, I think your misunderstanding lies earlier than my last post. If someone wishes to use an abbr tag in the way that it was intended by the spec, then that is perfectly acceptable, obviously. If their scripting then fails in IE they have three clear choices - write a more robust script,

RE: [WSG] Marking up company logo

2008-05-30 Thread michael.brockington
My take on this, is that IT ALL DEPENDS ! Every site is different. For example: www.calcresult.com does not use a traditional image-based logo, so the arguments that the site logo is 'just a simple image' fails completely. Some sites look a bit like a newspaper. Newspapers themselves vary

RE: [WSG] Marking up company logo

2008-05-30 Thread michael.brockington
If you want to look at things from that angle, then we have to make a split between what the user wants - news, information, entertainment, etc. what the commissioner wants, and what the search engines want. All sites on the web arguable fall into one of three categories: Hobby sites, Businesses,

RE: [WSG] Marking up company logo

2008-05-30 Thread michael.brockington
But does two H1's in a row really agree with the spec? My understanding was that a sub-level could repeat immediately, but H1's were not supposed to. For example: Okay: H1 H2 H2 H3 H1 H2 Bad: H1 H1 Regards, Mike That's a good point and it may explain the ALA's approach: h1The

RE: [WSG] MA in web development

2008-06-12 Thread michael.brockington
What kind of students will the course be aimed at? Arts graduates? Scientists? Mike From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Grant Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 11:31 PM To: wsg Subject: [WSG]

RE: [WSG] a good practise for adding email link (mailto)?

2008-06-16 Thread michael.brockington
Rubbish. I have plenty of experience of commercial-grade spam filters, and when 95% of received mail is spam, you don't have a hope of getting it all, unless you want to block a significant portion of legitimate mail as well. Mike From: [EMAIL

RE: [WSG] a good practise for adding email link (mailto)?

2008-06-16 Thread michael.brockington
Michael, In many ways we are the lucky ones - if you are doing SQL server day to day, or pretty much anything other than HTML then there are no standards at all - just 'on time/budget' or 'not/fired'. Stuff like SOX has given some impetus to doing things 'the right way' instead of the quick way,

RE: [WSG] a good practise for adding email link (mailto)?

2008-06-16 Thread michael.brockington
So does everyone agree that the form is the best option for entire cross - situation compatibility? James I think that is really an individual decision - a simple contact form on its own has a number of usability issues, which are well documented elsewhere. For the user there is the lack of

RE: [WSG] Firefox 3 and script tag 'problems'

2008-06-24 Thread michael.brockington
Does anyone have an example of this behaviour? Not quite sure I follow the issue... Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken McInnes Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 1:55 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Firefox 3

RE: [WSG] Browsers and Zooming

2008-07-03 Thread michael.brockington
Yes, a similar criticism has been levelled at Elastic layouts -- that when you enlarge the text the layout grows with it, I think you meant to say MAY grow - a carefully designed elastic layout will not expand the viewport horizontally. Mike Mike Brockington Web Development Specialist

RE: [WSG] Browsers and Zooming

2008-07-04 Thread michael.brockington
At the end of the day, this whole question is a no-brainer: On the one hand you can annoy [a few .. most] people by forcing them to scroll horizontally, Or you can keep everyone happy by not allowing a horizontal scroll bar. Whether it is a major issue or a trivial issue is irrelevant as there is

RE: [WSG] Semantic markup of a byline date/time

2008-07-17 Thread michael.brockington
I may be wrong, but your use of cite looks the wrong way around - surely a citation should point at a document? Mike From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jens-Uwe Korff Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 7:52 AM To:

RE: [WSG] firefox treatment of wrapper overflow height

2008-07-18 Thread michael.brockington
Sorry folks, but am I missing something here? Why do you think that it is important to stuff something invisible inside an (otherwise) empty div? Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Hucklesby Sent: Thursday, July 17,

RE: [WSG] firefox treatment of wrapper overflow height

2008-07-18 Thread michael.brockington
Not the clearing div, I know what that is for!! What is the _content_ of the div supposed to do, that an truly empty div would not? Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kevin mcmonagle Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 10:33 AM To:

RE: [WSG] AJAX and Clickable Elements

2008-07-18 Thread michael.brockington
I have a similar issue with www.calcResult.com: everything is done with JavaScript, but what I do is make all forms link to a page explaining that the site requires JavaScript, and why. Sometimes I see that page when a script I am working on fails, but even that is arguably better than nothing

RE: IE6 support - was - Re: [WSG] What is the best solution for IE6 png issue?

2008-08-04 Thread michael.brockington
Not wanting to hijack the PNG thread, so I've altered the subject. I understand the issues involve in huge migrations, it's not that easy.. At the risk of starting a war, it doesn't sound like you do understand. Before even starting to plan a migration, any decent corporation, of whatever

RE: [WSG] Correct markup of fieldset

2008-08-08 Thread michael.brockington
To my mind, one of the most pressing questions that needs to be answered in any particular case is: How is the fieldset labelled? If it specifically says something like 'postcode' or maybe 'contact details', and is one of a collection of fieldsets, then the button should probably be outside. If

RE: [WSG] Tables for product=price list

2008-08-11 Thread michael.brockington
Calm down everyone! In this case, though no doubt someone can find a dictionary that disagrees with me, a list could usually be said to be synonymous with a 'single column table' and conversely, a data table is a set of parallel lists - they are both special cases of each other. On that basis, I

RE: [WSG] Shopping cart - who does what

2008-08-15 Thread michael.brockington
An individual who brings a case under the DDA can seek monetary compensation. However, the law is supposed to be a last resort, and users are expected to give the website owner the opportunity to make the website accessible before resorting to law. Failure to do so suggests that the plaintiff

RE: [WSG] Acceptable autoplay of music

2008-08-15 Thread michael.brockington
On a more positive note - you could point out that having an embedded player would allow the band to offer the user a choice of music, which would be a better option than alienating many users. (Offering a client a 'better option' usually goes down a lot better than 'don't do that!') From an

RE: [WSG] H1 and the img tag

2008-08-26 Thread michael.brockington
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Sherlock Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:17 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] H1 and the img tag ok - seo is a bit like voodoo to me the following sites seem to be contray to suggestion

RE: [WSG] Question about accessibility

2008-08-28 Thread michael.brockington
Besides, images maps are a royal pain to maintain. -Tim Not as much of a pain as some of the faux-image-maps that I have seen done with 'pure css' or even css + JavaScript. There are tools out there that make true image-maps point-and-click simple, whereas a small change to some of the

RE: [WSG] Figures out issues. Standards for troubleshooting css

2008-09-01 Thread michael.brockington
Many people have some sort of reset stylesheet, that turns on a border for every div or every element. The 'perfect' version of this idea can get very complex, but something as simple as setting a border on all divs can often show you where something is stretching or floating where you were not

RE: [WSG] E649: The default scripting language must be specified for an intrinsic event:

2008-09-01 Thread michael.brockington
I think you will find that this has no direct effect on accessibility. As I am sure you know, if you rely on these methods for navigation, or if that select isn't made keyboard-friendly, then that is a problem, but inline JavaScript on its own is fine. In some circumstances it is better to have it

RE: [WSG] Code for Firefox, hack for IE

2008-09-01 Thread michael.brockington
This is how I work, but mainly for pragmatic reasons: Better JavaScript de-bugging tools in FireFox. Better CSS support, therefore fewer problems out of the box, and better stylesheet analysis tools. Finally, the one good reason: anything that needs to be fixed for IE can be done with conditional

RE: [WSG] Facebook downgrading support for IE6

2008-09-03 Thread michael.brockington
I would also like to point out that Facebook have a different business model from the majority of web sites - they have little to loose by excluding IE6 - they are not a shop, they are not trying to break into an existing market, they have a greater bias towards the home user than the corporate,

RE: [WSG] An interesting take....

2008-09-12 Thread michael.brockington
It really feels as if we need a standards process that is much more agile and iterative. Something that is much less monolithic. If WHATWG and the W3C are unable to do this, the browser vendors -- and the market -- will. -jeff I'm not sure if I said it here before or not, but I

RE: [WSG] Learning Javascript properly

2008-09-18 Thread michael.brockington
I think that is going to depend a lot on what you are trying to do with your JS knowledge: are we talking about animation, AJAX or something entirely different? Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Simon Sent: 18 September 2008

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