Re: [WSG] Summaries in blockquotes and the cite attribute
why? So that the summary is semantically different from the rest of the content. Terrence Wood. Bert Doorn wrote: Question: *why* do you want to use blockquote in the first place? If it is purely for presentational purposes (indented block) I agree that you are abusing the markup. Use CSS to indent the text instead. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Summaries in blockquotes and the cite attribute
G'day Terrence Wood wrote: why? So that the summary is semantically different from the rest of the content. ... Bert Doorn wrote: Question: *why* do you want to use blockquote in the first place? If it is purely for presentational purposes (indented block) I agree that you are abusing the markup. Use CSS to indent the text instead. If you use blockquote for a summary of the page content it will indeed be semantically different, but (in my opinion) semantically wrong. If it's not a quote, it's not a quote. I believe some screen readers also read blockquotes differently from regular text (different voice and a mention of begin quote and end quote). I would use a heading and paragraph(s). If you want to separate it from the rest of the content, put it in a div with a semantic id. There does not seem to be a consensus about whether divs *can* have semantic meaning, but to me div id=summary has more meaning than using a blockquote to present something that's not a quote from an external source. Regards -- Bert Doorn, Better Web Design http://www.betterwebdesign.com.au/ Fast-loading, user-friendly websites ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Summaries in blockquotes and the cite attribute
I'm designing some pages that contain summaries that precede the content. I want to mark these up with blockquote and fill the cite attribute with the URI of the same page. Is this a fair use of blockquote, or am I abusing the markup as a summary is not exactly a quote? And what about having a self-referential cite attribute, is that bad? thanks in advance for your thoughts. Terrence Wood. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Summaries in blockquotes and the cite attribute
G'day I'm designing some pages that contain summaries that precede the content. I want to mark these up with blockquote and fill the cite attribute with the URI of the same page. Is this a fair use of blockquote, or am I abusing the markup as a summary is not exactly a quote? And what about having a self-referential cite attribute, is that bad? Question: *why* do you want to use blockquote in the first place? If it is purely for presentational purposes (indented block) I agree that you are abusing the markup. Use CSS to indent the text instead. This is what the specs have to say about (q and) blockquote: These two elements designate quoted text. BLOCKQUOTE is for long quotations (block-level content) and Q is intended for short quotations (inline content) that don't require paragraph breaks. ...and... The usage of BLOCKQUOTE to indent text is deprecated in favor of style sheets. Source: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/text.html#h-9.2.2 Even if blockquote was appropriate, Using the cite attribute to refer to the page already being presented seems self-defeating. The value of this attribute is a URI that designates a source document or message. This attribute is intended to give information about the source from which the quotation was borrowed. Source: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/text.html#adef-cite-Q Note that if this were a HTML email, the use of q or blockquote and cite attribute (and perhaps the cite element) would be appropriate, since I am QUOTING, verbatim, from another document and referring to the (external) source for reference :-) Regards -- Bert Doorn, Better Web Design http://www.betterwebdesign.com.au/ Fast-loading, user-friendly websites ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
