Re: [WSG] accessibility statements... what are they worth?
HI all whereas accessibility (a.k.a. a11y) is not about web standards, one aspect of it is about conformance with standards, in particular, the parsing of code. So I guess it's OK to talk about it here for a little bit. There are two points to consider here: I just had a look at the myki accessibility statement and there are several interesting issues. WCAG 1.0 measures conformance against Priority 1, 2, and 3, http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10/#priorities WCAG 2.0 measures against success criteria levels A, AA, AAA: http://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG20/quickref/ Saying they attempt to conform to WCAG 1.0 Level AA shows they don't know what they're talking about. I would be surprised, in fact if they even met the conditions they claim to have met. In fact, if you follow the link that states they conform to the Victorian Government Standard from your link: (http://www.myki.com.au/Home/Accessibility/Accessibility/default.aspx) it actually states the VIC standard is WCAG 2.0 and they must meet the NTS timeline The second point is that all AU gov sites are required to PASS, not reasonable effort to ensure, but actually successfully MEET the WCAG 2.0 Level A criteria by Dec 2012 and Level AA by dec 2014 according to the AGIMO Web Accessibility National Transition Strategy (NTS). http://webguide.gov.au/accessibility-usability/accessibility/ In fact, if you follow the link that states they conform to the Victorian Government Standard from your link: (http://www.myki.com.au/Home/Accessibility/Accessibility/default.aspx) it actually states the VIC standard is WCAG 2.0 (not 1.0) and they must meet the NTS Guidelines. According to the strategy, now is when they should have formulated a plan and started on the road to transitioning to a fully compliant site by the first deadline. In conclusion, if you feel like complaining, the best bet would be to make the owners of the site aware of this discrepancy, and their obligations and request a timeframe on when they expect to meet their obligation for compliance. J On 04/09/2011, at 22:39 , Istvan Vincze wrote: Hi Andrew :) I have a bit of a peeve with the Myki site, too... a lot in fact. When the site was launched I had a bit of a poke around the source and found it to be a pretty low-effort job, so not surprised about your findings. Glad you looked into this. I'd suspect the Metlink site has similar failings. Considering that it's public transport, I'd also expect a mobile optimised site and/or web app to manage account. I've finally found an app (on android, possibly iOS too) called MyUsage that can at least retrieve my Myki (amongs many other services) balance easily. Istvan On 4 September 2011 21:51, Andrew Harris and...@woowoowoo.com wrote: Hi all, I recently had some problems with the Myki website (I like to use the keyboard to navigate - they don't make it easy!), which prompted me to visit the site's accessibility page. http://www.myki.com.au/Home/Accessibility/Accessibility/default.aspx There, they make a claim about their efforts to reach WCAG AA compliance. Ever pedantic, I ran a few checks over the site, and found many errors that would indicate that this simply isn't so. In fact only one of the five pages I tested actually passed! Does it have to wait for someone to bring an action against them, or is there some other sort of trigger that can be used to prompt them to action? After all, this isn't just some business selling widgets, it's a public transport ticketing system! -- Andrew Harris and...@woowoowoo.com http://www.woowoowoo.com ~~~ * ~~~ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** = This email is: [ ] bloggable[x] ask first[ ] private = http://about.me/joe.ortenzi *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] accessibility statements... what are they worth?
Hi all, I recently had some problems with the Myki website (I like to use the keyboard to navigate - they don't make it easy!), which prompted me to visit the site's accessibility page. http://www.myki.com.au/Home/Accessibility/Accessibility/default.aspx There, they make a claim about their efforts to reach WCAG AA compliance. Ever pedantic, I ran a few checks over the site, and found many errors that would indicate that this simply isn't so. In fact only one of the five pages I tested actually passed! Does it have to wait for someone to bring an action against them, or is there some other sort of trigger that can be used to prompt them to action? After all, this isn't just some business selling widgets, it's a public transport ticketing system! -- Andrew Harris and...@woowoowoo.com http://www.woowoowoo.com ~~~ * ~~~ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] accessibility statements... what are they worth?
Hi Andrew :) I have a bit of a peeve with the Myki site, too... a lot in fact. When the site was launched I had a bit of a poke around the source and found it to be a pretty low-effort job, so not surprised about your findings. Glad you looked into this. I'd suspect the Metlink site has similar failings. Considering that it's public transport, I'd also expect a mobile optimised site and/or web app to manage account. I've finally found an app (on android, possibly iOS too) called MyUsage that can at least retrieve my Myki (amongs many other services) balance easily. Istvan On 4 September 2011 21:51, Andrew Harris and...@woowoowoo.com wrote: Hi all, I recently had some problems with the Myki website (I like to use the keyboard to navigate - they don't make it easy!), which prompted me to visit the site's accessibility page. http://www.myki.com.au/Home/Accessibility/Accessibility/default.aspx There, they make a claim about their efforts to reach WCAG AA compliance. Ever pedantic, I ran a few checks over the site, and found many errors that would indicate that this simply isn't so. In fact only one of the five pages I tested actually passed! Does it have to wait for someone to bring an action against them, or is there some other sort of trigger that can be used to prompt them to action? After all, this isn't just some business selling widgets, it's a public transport ticketing system! -- Andrew Harris and...@woowoowoo.com http://www.woowoowoo.com ~~~ * ~~~ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] accessibility statements... what are they worth?
On Sep 4, 2011, at 4:51 AM, Andrew Harris wrote: Hi all, I recently had some problems with the Myki website (I like to use the keyboard to navigate - they don't make it easy!), which prompted me to visit the site's accessibility page. http://www.myki.com.au/Home/Accessibility/Accessibility/default.aspx There, they make a claim about their efforts to reach WCAG AA compliance. Ever pedantic, I ran a few checks over the site, and found many errors that would indicate that this simply isn't so. In fact only one of the five pages I tested actually passed! Does it have to wait for someone to bring an action against them, or is there some other sort of trigger that can be used to prompt them to action? After all, this isn't just some business selling widgets, it's a public transport ticketing system! -- The site claims WCAG 1.0 AA compliance. If I'm not mistaken, keyboard navigation is not included in WCAG 1.0. The site (whoever wrote the accessibity statement) may be confused it with access key navigation. If I were a user of this site, I would write email to suggest the site needs upgrade to WCAG 2.0 AA comformace, it probably gets ignored, but if more users write in it will bring the attention. tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
