Re: [WSG] Assistance with flash example sites

2010-02-02 Thread Steven Faulkner
hi russ

the bbc childrens sites makes extensive use of flash for their games:
cbeebies
games for switch and special needs:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbeebies/games/theme/switch/
keyboard:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbeebies/games/theme/keyboard/

CBBC
switch
http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbbc/games/switch/

general: some are keyboard accessible
http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbbc/games/

regards
steve



On 1 February 2010 03:52, Russ Weakley  wrote:

> Hi people,
>
> A colleague has just asked me for some examples of Flash sites:
>
> 1. examples of flash sites which are not keyboard accessible (and/or poor
> tab ordering)
> 2. examples of flash sites which ARE keyboard accessible
> 3. examples of flash sites which work well with screen readers
>
> (He is aware of the Harry Potter Flash site, but is after other, possibly
> more recent examples)
>
> Please no comments about the merits or lack of merits of Flash. This is for
> some research he is conduction.  :)
>
> Thanks
> Russ
>
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Re: [WSG] Assistance with flash example sites

2010-02-01 Thread Rae Buerckner
Hi Russ,

A good place to start for good example sites is here
http://flex.org/showcase_page

Cheers,

Rae

On 1 February 2010 14:52, Russ Weakley  wrote:

> Hi people,
>
> A colleague has just asked me for some examples of Flash sites:
>
> 1. examples of flash sites which are not keyboard accessible (and/or poor
> tab ordering)
> 2. examples of flash sites which ARE keyboard accessible
> 3. examples of flash sites which work well with screen readers
>
> (He is aware of the Harry Potter Flash site, but is after other, possibly
> more recent examples)
>
> Please no comments about the merits or lack of merits of Flash. This is for
> some research he is conduction.  :)
>
> Thanks
> Russ
>
>
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Re: [WSG] Assistance with flash example sites

2010-02-01 Thread Paul Novitski

At 1/31/2010 07:52 PM, Russ Weakley wrote:

A colleague has just asked me for some examples of Flash sites:

1. examples of flash sites which are not keyboard accessible (and/or
poor tab ordering)
2. examples of flash sites which ARE keyboard accessible



A wrinkle in keyboard accessibility is what I think of as the Black 
Holes of Flash: when a Flash application swallows keystrokes that 
normally operate the browser such as the CTL and ALT combinations in 
Windows. It's commonplace in my experience that Flash developers will 
prevent me from using CTL-w to close the current tab, CTL-TAB to 
switch to the next tab, ALT-whatever to use the browser's menu, and 
so on. They're not even re-purposing the keystrokes for new uses in 
their applications, they're just eating them. Keyboard accessibility 
can therefore be seen as a matter of degree, not merely true/false. A 
Flash app might itself be keyboard-accessible but still be quite 
frustrating for a keyboard user for whom the Flash app is not the 
only activity in their day. If you can't leave the browser window 
running Flash without using a mouse, someone's botched their job.


An example of a Flash application which itself is, alas, not 
keyboard-accessible but that does honor browser keystrokes is the 
jacket designer  which we 
produced a few years ago. (The next-gen version we're producing this 
year will be accessible!)


Regards,

Paul
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RE: [WSG] Assistance with flash example sites

2010-02-01 Thread Thierry Koblentz
> From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org]
> On Behalf Of Russ Weakley
> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 7:52 PM
> To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
> Subject: [WSG] Assistance with flash example sites
> 
> Hi people,
> 
> A colleague has just asked me for some examples of Flash sites:
> 
> 1. examples of flash sites which are not keyboard accessible (and/or
> poor tab ordering)
> 2. examples of flash sites which ARE keyboard accessible
> 3. examples of flash sites which work well with screen readers


I believe the best person to ask for this is Andrew Kirkpatrick (Corporate
Accessibility Engineering Lead for Adobe).


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Re: [WSG] Assistance with flash example sites

2010-01-31 Thread David Laakso

Russ Weakley wrote:

Hi people,

A colleague has just asked me for some examples of Flash sites:

1.
2.
3.


Russ





4. Mousetype.

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RE: [WSG] Assistance with flash example sites

2010-01-31 Thread Tatham Oddie
Hi Elizabeth,

Once I give the Flash block on that site focus by clicking it, tabbing works
fine.

I couldn't find an alternative way of giving it focus.


Thanks,

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Behalf Of Elizabeth Spiegel
Sent: Monday, 1 February 2010 5:59 PM
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Subject: RE: [WSG] Assistance with flash example sites

Hi Russ

http://www.monotone.com.au/

as far as I can see, no tab access at all.


Elizabeth Spiegel
Web editing

0409 986 158
GPO Box 729, Hobart TAS 7001
www.spiegelweb.com.au



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Sent: Monday, 1 February 2010 2:52 PM
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Subject: [WSG] Assistance with flash example sites

Hi people,

A colleague has just asked me for some examples of Flash sites:

1. examples of flash sites which are not keyboard accessible (and/or poor
tab ordering) 2. examples of flash sites which ARE keyboard accessible 3.
examples of flash sites which work well with screen readers

(He is aware of the Harry Potter Flash site, but is after other, possibly
more recent examples)

Please no comments about the merits or lack of merits of Flash. This is for
some research he is conduction.  :)

Thanks
Russ



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RE: [WSG] Assistance with flash example sites

2010-01-31 Thread Elizabeth Spiegel
Hi Russ

http://www.monotone.com.au/

as far as I can see, no tab access at all.


Elizabeth Spiegel
Web editing

0409 986 158
GPO Box 729, Hobart TAS 7001
www.spiegelweb.com.au



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From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Russ Weakley
Sent: Monday, 1 February 2010 2:52 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Assistance with flash example sites

Hi people,

A colleague has just asked me for some examples of Flash sites:

1. examples of flash sites which are not keyboard accessible (and/or  
poor tab ordering)
2. examples of flash sites which ARE keyboard accessible
3. examples of flash sites which work well with screen readers

(He is aware of the Harry Potter Flash site, but is after other,  
possibly more recent examples)

Please no comments about the merits or lack of merits of Flash. This  
is for some research he is conduction.  :)

Thanks
Russ



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Re: [WSG] Assistance with flash example sites

2010-01-31 Thread Felix Miata
On 2010/02/01 14:52 (GMT+1100) Russ Weakley composed:

> A colleague has just asked me for some examples of Flash sites:

> 1. examples of flash sites which are not keyboard accessible (and/or  
> poor tab ordering)

I can't see any pattern to tab ordering on
http://www.iontelevision.com/schedule.php plus once I click on anything there
I'm no longer able to leave the FF3.5.7 tab it's in using Ctrl-PgUp/PgDn.

I can't see any indication of focus on http://tinyurl.com/yhpy4zf

> 2. examples of flash sites which ARE keyboard accessible

I'm curious how frequently real people encounter examples of such a thing.

I do my best to avoid Flash sites, as Flash content invariably uses
predominantly mousetype.

http://webdesign-l.com/mailman/private/list/2010-January/015534.html is part
of a thread on HBO's new site design, apparently devoid of functional
non-Flash content, maybe useful to your colleague.
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