Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?

2008-10-20 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
Webb, KerryA wrote: Johan Douma wrote: Flash is on 99.9% of the computers. Which is the sort of claim made often by Adobe. But, if we're talking about a recent version of Flash on 99.9% of computers, that's a different matter. I think that's somewhat unfair. Adobe go out of their way to

Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?

2008-10-20 Thread Michael MD
Kerry I agree with you there - while 99% of computers online may have access to flash 2 or 3 some higher (of course) I think that we would be extremely hard pressed to find a majority of online machines with flash above flash 8. Myself, a web developer, only has flash 8 on my machine (I don't

Re: SPAM-MED: Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?

2008-10-20 Thread Rick Lecoat
On 20 Oct 2008, at 10:26, kevin mcmonagle wrote: micheal md wrote: I tend to avoid using anything that needs flash player 9 where possible and so far I haven't found anything I needed to do that really needed actionscript 3 How about flv? IIRC flv came in with Flash 8 -- Rick

Re: SPAM-MED: Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?

2008-10-20 Thread kevin mcmonagle
micheal md wrote: I tend to avoid using anything that needs flash player 9 where possible and so far I haven't found anything I needed to do that really needed actionscript 3 How about flv? -best kevin *** List

RE: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?

2008-10-19 Thread Webb, KerryA
Johan Douma wrote: Flash is on 99.9% of the computers. Which is the sort of claim made often by Adobe. But, if we're talking about a recent version of Flash on 99.9% of computers, that's a different matter. Kerry --- This

RE: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?

2008-10-19 Thread David Fuller :: magickweb
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Webb, KerryA Sent: Monday, 20 October 2008 8:09 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future? Johan Douma wrote: Flash is on 99.9% of the computers. Which is the sort of claim made often by Adobe. But, if we're

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Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?

2008-10-19 Thread Johan Douma
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Webb, KerryA Sent: Monday, 20 October 2008 8:09 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future? Johan Douma wrote: Flash is on 99.9% of the computers. Which is the sort of claim made often by Adobe. But, if we're

Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?

2008-10-19 Thread Breton Slivka
But on the other side, I'm not sure how many people use add ons like no flash or no script and there's no way to find out. Cheers, Johan Yes, there IS a way to find out: Compare server logs with which people actually executed the analytics script. I just haven't seen any implementations of

Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?

2008-10-19 Thread Breton Slivka
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 1:25 PM, Breton Slivka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But on the other side, I'm not sure how many people use add ons like no flash or no script and there's no way to find out. Cheers, Johan Yes, there IS a way to find out: Compare server logs with which people actually

Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?

2008-10-18 Thread Andrew Brown
Flex is terribly brittle and has very strange conventions. I don't see flash replacing javascript. Maybe will all be using flash browsers one day. On 18-Oct-08, at 11:01 AM, Simon Josephson wrote: I don't know of the appropriateness here (etiquette) being a newbie... though Adobe's agenda is

Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?

2008-10-18 Thread Simon Josephson
I don't know of the appropriateness here (etiquette) being a newbie... though Adobe's agenda is to make Flash an entire environment within which to work... AKA - Air It is very neat and you may find of interest the Flex developer website found here... http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flex/

Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?

2008-10-18 Thread David Hucklesby
On 17/10/2008, at 12:27 AM, Charles Ling wrote: Hi Guys/Gals, I would like to get some opinion from you all, that would Flash 10 or ++ will replace JavaScript in the future? According to this blog : http://ajaxian.com/archives/flash- 10-and-the-bad-news-for-javascript-interaction . On

Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?

2008-10-17 Thread Michael MD
I think you misunderstood the article big-time. It's saying that Flash 10 is planned to not support DHTML scripting access, which means you won't be able to control a flash video via Javascript. That just means that a lot of interfaces where Flash is *not* currently sufficient they introduce a

Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?

2008-10-17 Thread Michael MD
Read the story on that page carefully. What has happened is that flash 10 has increased restrictions over what features within the flash plugin can be invoked via javascript. This only applies to one specific feature (file uploads), and effects virtually no other flash features. It does not

Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?

2008-10-17 Thread Gareth Senior
Don¹t hold your breath for ogg support in all browsers. I imagine microsoft will be more interested in pushing silverlight than flash or ogg. Audio and video is a key front in the next generation of browser wars, so it won¹t be that simple. As you note, Flash offers some useful stuff that¹s not

Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?

2008-10-16 Thread Christian Montoya
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 9:27 AM, Charles Ling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys/Gals, I would like to get some opinion from you all, that would Flash 10 or ++ will replace JavaScript in the future? According to this blog :

Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?

2008-10-16 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
Charles Ling wrote: I would like to get some opinion from you all, that would Flash 10 or ++ will replace JavaScript in the future? According to this blog : http://ajaxian.com/archives/flash-10-and-the-bad-news-for-javascript-interaction. I'm not entirely sure Christian's right that Flash 10

Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?

2008-10-16 Thread Breton Slivka
Read the story on that page carefully. What has happened is that flash 10 has increased restrictions over what features within the flash plugin can be invoked via javascript. This only applies to one specific feature (file uploads), and effects virtually no other flash features. It does not effect

Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?

2008-10-16 Thread Johan Douma
I don't see flash becoming a dominant technology in the future. It's definitly not going to replace javascript. It wouldn't actually surprise me if it is going to die off really slowly... Only to be used in really specific cases. Flash gets used a lot today because the flash video codec is good