Re: [WSG] Standards friendly 'page tagging' web stats

2007-08-27 Thread Michael MD

Patrick, reports based on server log files are considerably limiting.
For example, visitors are generally identified by IP and Session ID.
This doesn't tell me if the person is a repeat customer, or how often
they frequent the website, and also provides more accurate filtering of
non-human user agents (as UAs don't tend to render the HTML or executive
the JS).


yes ... but you also won't see any browsers that don't have javascript (such
as most mobile phone browsers) so if you want to see EVERY browser that
people might use to look at your site you will still need to get that
information from the server logs. 





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Re: [WSG] Standards friendly 'page tagging' web stats

2007-08-26 Thread John Faulds

Have you looked at Google Analytics?

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Hey all,

I'm investigating improving our current method of reporting our web
traffic - we currently use server logs only (with an annual community
survey for good measure).

I'm looking for a Javascript page-tagging solution, that is
unobtrusive (keeping in line with our current progressive enhancement
paradigm), standards compliant, reliable/error free (ie. Supported
across multiple browsers).

We've spent a considerable amount of time building a standards
compliant, accessible website that degrades nicely on older browsers and
less tech savvy clients, so I'm not keen on implementing a solution
that's going to brain all of our hard work.

Can anyone make any suggests... off-list if this isn't the right forum
for this thread.

Best Regards,


Paul Hempsall
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Re: [WSG] Standards friendly 'page tagging' web stats

2007-08-26 Thread Jason Grant
Try this:

http://www.google.com/analytics/

Hope its good.

Regards,

Jason
www.flexewebs.com

On 8/27/07, Paul Hempsall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Hey all,

 I'm investigating improving our current method of reporting our web
 traffic - we currently use server logs only (with an annual community
 survey for good measure).

 I'm looking for a Javascript page-tagging solution, that is
 unobtrusive (keeping in line with our current progressive enhancement
 paradigm), standards compliant, reliable/error free (ie. Supported
 across multiple browsers).

 We've spent a considerable amount of time building a standards
 compliant, accessible website that degrades nicely on older browsers and
 less tech savvy clients, so I'm not keen on implementing a solution
 that's going to brain all of our hard work.

 Can anyone make any suggests... off-list if this isn't the right forum
 for this thread.

 Best Regards,


 Paul Hempsall
 Web Developer


 Lake Macquarie City Council
 Phone: (02) 4921-0713
 Fax: (02) 4921-0566
 Web: http://www.lakemac.com.au

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Re: [WSG] Standards friendly 'page tagging' web stats

2007-08-26 Thread Patrick H. Lauke

Paul Hempsall wrote:


I'm investigating improving our current method of reporting our web
traffic - we currently use server logs only (with an annual community
survey for good measure).


You haven't really defined your probem...what exactly is it that you're 
trying to improve? I'm assuming you're already running something like 
Analog or Awstats in the backend to prep your server logs...so what 
functionality are you missing that makes you want to move to a 
javascript solution?


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RE: [WSG] Standards friendly 'page tagging' web stats

2007-08-26 Thread Paul Minty
Paul,

We use Google Analytics in-house and it is a good addition to log file
analysis.

'Mint' is another tagging-based stats package that should be OK on a
standards-based website http://haveamint.com/

You do get a lot more info on browsers and viewport size throygh the
tagging stats approach. Also, Google tells you a lot about pathways
through the website that most log-analysis stats packages would charge
you a lot of money for.

Cheers
Paul


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I'm looking for a Javascript page-tagging solution, that is
unobtrusive (keeping in line with our current progressive enhancement
paradigm), standards compliant, reliable/error free (ie. Supported
across multiple browsers).


Paul Hempsall
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RE: [WSG] Standards friendly 'page tagging' web stats

2007-08-26 Thread Paul Hempsall
 
Thanks for the responses and suggestions.

I haven't checked out Google Analytics yet, although it was on my list.
In fact I'm heading down to Sydney in Sept for some training on it's use
and how to best implement it.

Patrick, reports based on server log files are considerably limiting.
For example, visitors are generally identified by IP and Session ID.
This doesn't tell me if the person is a repeat customer, or how often
they frequent the website, and also provides more accurate filtering of
non-human user agents (as UAs don't tend to render the HTML or executive
the JS).

The data collected is particularly useful for measuring the use of
back and forward button usage, monitoring the effectiveness of
campaigns, conversion rates, abandonment rates/locations, etc.

Just wanted to make sure I didn't break the site by implementing this.


Paul Hempsall
Web Developer


Lake Macquarie City Council
Phone: (02) 4921-0713
Fax: (02) 4921-0566
Web: http://www.lakemac.com.au

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RE: [WSG] Standards friendly 'page tagging' web stats

2007-08-26 Thread Kane Tapping
Hi Paul,

I'm heading down to Sydney in Sept for some training on it's use
and how to best implement it.

Please tell me your not paying for that.

About Google Analytics
http://www.google.com/support/googleanalytics/bin/topic.py?topic=10977

Installing the tracking code
http://www.google.com/support/googleanalytics/bin/topic.py?topic=10976

How do I add tracking code to my website?
http://www.google.com/support/googleanalytics/bin/answer.py?answer=55488topic=11126

 Just wanted to make sure I didn't break the site by implementing this.

You can implement the JS on a couple of test pages if you would like to 
test the result before including it in all your pages.
Kind Regards,
Kane



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 27/08/2007 03:07:35 PM:

 
 Thanks for the responses and suggestions.
 
 I haven't checked out Google Analytics yet, although it was on my list.
 In fact I'm heading down to Sydney in Sept for some training on it's use
 and how to best implement it.
 
 Patrick, reports based on server log files are considerably limiting.
 For example, visitors are generally identified by IP and Session ID.
 This doesn't tell me if the person is a repeat customer, or how often
 they frequent the website, and also provides more accurate filtering of
 non-human user agents (as UAs don't tend to render the HTML or executive
 the JS).
 
 The data collected is particularly useful for measuring the use of
 back and forward button usage, monitoring the effectiveness of
 campaigns, conversion rates, abandonment rates/locations, etc.
 
 Just wanted to make sure I didn't break the site by implementing this.
 
 
 Paul Hempsall
 Web Developer
 
 
 Lake Macquarie City Council
 Phone: (02) 4921-0713
 Fax: (02) 4921-0566
 Web: http://www.lakemac.com.au
 
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