Re: [WSG] Story Boards
Hi Marvin I'm not sure what you are trying to build with svg, but maybe you should take a look at Yahoo's YUI Charts. You can use a data table as the source for the charts. This gives users like you access to accessible data while also allowing the YUI library to build an interactive chart for free. http://new.yuilibrary.com/yui/docs/charts/ SVG is better than canvas for accessibility, but I don't think it is as easy to use as a well markedup data table for screen reader users. I wouldn't use SVG for your page elements (headers, links, buttons). Ted On 10/23/11 9:47 PM, Marvin Hunkin startrekc...@gmail.com wrote: hi. well. i am building a complex blindness related site. and now doing this via http://wsi.tafensw.edu.au and now, there is a accessible drawing tool called svg draw 01 from dick baldwin. he is a computer science professor at washington state university. so, how to use this tool. to layout my page elements, links, buttons, frames, headings, etc. using jaws. and then how to visualise all the coordinates. able to create lines, shapes, etc, via a wizard. this is a java based application. and it works, well without using the java access bridge. so, any ideas, trick, tips, how to get this done. as part of the design process. and also, another question. which colours work best for low vision users, and as i am totally blind, but did have sight when i was younger, so which colours, look the best, and also how to visually line out the pages, for this design process. if any one has got any ideas. for accessibility, let me know. marvin. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Story Boards
On 10/24/2011 3:47 PM, Marvin Hunkin wrote: hi. well. i am building a complex blindness related site. and now doing this via http://wsi.tafensw.edu.au and now, there is a accessible drawing tool called svg draw 01 from dick baldwin. he is a computer science professor at washington state university. so, how to use this tool. to layout my page elements, links, buttons, frames, headings, etc. using jaws. and then how to visualise all the coordinates. able to create lines, shapes, etc, via a wizard. this is a java based application. and it works, well without using the java access bridge. so, any ideas, trick, tips, how to get this done. as part of the design process. and also, another question. which colours work best for low vision users, and as i am totally blind, but did have sight when i was younger, so which colours, look the best, and also how to visually line out the pages, for this design process. if any one has got any ideas. for accessibility, let me know. marvin. Well the visualization part might be a bit difficult given you're lack of vision. That said, the story board tool might be able to help a bit with that, but I have never used it so can't say for sure. I have a bit of an advantage in that I have low vision so I can see colours and the like, probably a stupid question but just in case i'll ask it anyway. Do you're tutors know that you have a vision impairment and have you spoken to the disability officer or whatever job title they have at the tafe? As they will probably be able to give you a bit more direct assistance particularly with the OLS Online Learning System issues that you were describing the other day. It is just that if they are marking you on the visuals and they don't know of you're situation they will give you a crap mark and i'm not sure what the policy would be with allowing other people to work on the project, some institutions won't allow it if the project is meant to be individual. Oh and some people in education can still be harsh markers even if they do understand you're situation. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Story Boards
doing a project for my website development course. now, part of the requirements says that i need to create a story board to represent what content is to be displayed on each page. Hello Marvin, Could something like this possibly work for you? http://green-beast.com/autorun/ There are some in-use examples on the Summary page, one being a step-by-step CSS tutorial, another for a presentation, and a third being used to showcase some land. Is the application accessible to you? I tried my best to make it so but it was challenging. Respectfully, Mike Cherim *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Story Boards
Molly has put up an example of methods to mock-up/storyboard: http://www.molly.com/2005/08/23/protoype-techniques-in-the-web-design-workflow/ James On 10/10/07, Mike at Green-Beast.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: doing a project for my website development course. now, part of the requirements says that i need to create a story board to represent what content is to be displayed on each page. Hello Marvin, Could something like this possibly work for you? http://green-beast.com/autorun/ There are some in-use examples on the Summary page, one being a step-by-step CSS tutorial, another for a presentation, and a third being used to showcase some land. Is the application accessible to you? I tried my best to make it so but it was challenging. Respectfully, Mike Cherim *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Story Boards
hi Marvin I am trying to understand the task you need help with. Pardon my ignorance on matters relating to the HCI for the poorly sighted. Perhaps you could educate me on this while I try to help. From what you are saying, it sounds like you are making what I would call wireframes, which is to say a rough description of where the various elements will generally sit on a page, without all of the dressing, like colours, logos, branding, images and without describing the sizes of the text exactly. Is that what you are referring to as storyboards? The second question might be irrelevant but had you been able to see in the past? I only ask as I understand it is easier to describe visual conepts to those who lost their sight as opposed to those who never had sight in the first place. The former have a memory of what seeing was, making descriptions and analogies easier for the sighted to use as examples. We use Quark, InDesign and OmniGraffle for these tasks, but I am not sure what would work well for your computer interface. I would have thought that MS Word tables would be useful for this, as would HTML tables, perfect in-fact as you can conceive of, for example a three column layout and describe it well using tables. How is dreamweaver as an interface for you as I understand it is very good at manipulating tables in general. Is that a possible tool? It would also be helpful if you could tell us what your instructor found lacking, so we could address their concerns directly. Joe On Oct 10 2007, at 04:46, marvin hunkin wrote: Hi. doing a project for my website development course. now, part of the requirements says that i need to create a story board to represent what content is to be displayed on each page. Now sighted students, would draw navigation and story board diagrams. now, had to do this in word tables and tried html. but my lecturer is still not happy with what i have come up with. now, just wondering, is there any software, that might be able to represent the story boards for the four websites that i am developing for this semester. any tips, tricks, or any other similar experiences. let me know, if anyone been in the same position. unfortunately the guy who did start to develop an accessible text to speech drawing software, got his phd, and did not complete the project and still in limbo. he got to the third user tests, and then nicked off. he did this at Burkely University in Callifornia and the product was to be called Intercommunication Draw 2. okay, can you help out or give suggestions or how to resolve these problems? cheers Marvin. Join Lavalife for free. What are you waiting for? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.joiz.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Story Boards
What about Visio, I'm just thinking that you're already using Microsoft products that this may be something you could use. I know of people who use Visio a lot for wireframes and mock-ups. I suppose it depends on what details your lecturer is wanting in your story board's. the only setback I can think of is that Visio has a lot of application for other purposes such as relational database design, flowcharts. does anyone know if this may help Marvin William Donovan marvin hunkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. doing a project for my website development course. now, part of the requirements says that i need to create a story board to represent what content is to be displayed on each page. Now sighted students, would draw navigation and story board diagrams. now, had to do this in word tables and tried html. but my lecturer is still not happy with what i have come up with. now, just wondering, is there any software, that might be able to represent the story boards for the four websites that i am developing for this semester. any tips, tricks, or any other similar experiences. let me know, if anyone been in the same position. unfortunately the guy who did start to develop an accessible text to speech drawing software, got his phd, and did not complete the project and still in limbo. he got to the third user tests, and then nicked off. he did this at Burkely University in Callifornia and the product was to be called Intercommunication Draw 2. okay, can you help out or give suggestions or how to resolve these problems? cheers Marvin. _ What are you waiting for? Join Lavalife FREE http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Flavalife9%2Eninemsn%2Ecom %2Eau%2Fclickthru%2Fclickthru%2Eact%3Fid%3Dninemsn%26context%3Dan99%26loc ale%3Den%5FAU%26a%3D30288_t=764581033_r=email_taglines_Join_free_OCT07 _m=EXT *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Story Boards
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 01:46:58 pm marvin hunkin wrote: Hi. doing a project for my website development course. now, part of the requirements says that i need to create a story board to represent what content is to be displayed on each page. Now sighted students, would draw navigation and story board diagrams. now, had to do this in word tables and tried html. but my lecturer is still not happy with what i have come up with. now, just wondering, is there any software, that might be able to represent the story boards for the four websites that i am developing for this semester. any tips, tricks, or any other similar experiences. let me know, if anyone been in the same position. unfortunately the guy who did start to develop an accessible text to speech drawing software, got his phd, and did not complete the project and still in limbo. he got to the third user tests, and then nicked off. he did this at Burkely University in Callifornia and the product was to be called Intercommunication Draw 2. okay, can you help out or give suggestions or how to resolve these problems? cheers Marvin. Hi Marvin, I recommend starting with a liquid layout like either of Thierry Koblentz's CSS Layout 6 at http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/liquid/6.asp or CSS Layout 8 at http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/liquid/8.asp. These block layouts can be printed to display the layout. You should then be able to describe the size, colours, content and content position of each block as the text on the story boards. This description is what makes a storyboard effective, not the story board sketch. Try creating story boards for each section of the layout: * Header *Menu *Content *Subsection *Footer There would be a number of story boards for the content, and maybe the subsection, but you should only need a single story board for the other sections. Hope this helps! -- Regards, Steve Bathurst Computer Solutions URL: www.bathurstcomputers.com.au e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 0407 224 251 _ ... (0) ... / / \ .. / / . ) .. V_/_ Linux Powered! Registered Linux User #355382 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Story Boards
Hi Marvin, In April of this year I came across an add-in template for Microsoft Visio, enabling a user to produce wire-frames and more within the Visio work environment. Here is the address to the web page and small downloadable package: http://www.guuui.com/issues/02_07.php Maybe this will help get the job done? Kind regards, Frank From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of marvin hunkin Sent: Wednesday, 10 October, 2007 5:47 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Story Boards Hi. doing a project for my website development course. now, part of the requirements says that i need to create a story board to represent what content is to be displayed on each page. Now sighted students, would draw navigation and story board diagrams. now, had to do this in word tables and tried html. but my lecturer is still not happy with what i have come up with. now, just wondering, is there any software, that might be able to represent the story boards for the four websites that i am developing for this semester. any tips, tricks, or any other similar experiences. let me know, if anyone been in the same position. unfortunately the guy who did start to develop an accessible text to speech drawing software, got his phd, and did not complete the project and still in limbo. he got to the third user tests, and then nicked off. he did this at Burkely University in Callifornia and the product was to be called Intercommunication Draw 2. okay, can you help out or give suggestions or how to resolve these problems? cheers Marvin. Join Lavalife for free. What are you waiting for? http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Flavalife9%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2E au%2Fclickthru%2Fclickthru%2Eact%3Fid%3Dninemsn%26context%3Dan99%26locale%3De n%5FAU%26a%3D30288_t=764581033_r=email_taglines_Join_free_OCT07_m=EXT *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Story Boards
Hi Marvin You could try Axure (www.axure.com). I'm not too sure how accessible it is, but there is a trial version available and it has lots of drag drop functionality which could be helpful if it works with any accessibility tools you are using. Good luck with it. Cheers Denise On 10/10/07, William Donovan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about Visio, I'm just thinking that you're already using Microsoft products that this may be something you could use. I know of people who use Visio a lot for wireframes and mock-ups. I suppose it depends on what details your lecturer is wanting in your story board's. the only setback I can think of is that Visio has a lot of application for other purposes such as relational database design, flowcharts. does anyone know if this may help Marvin William Donovan marvin hunkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. doing a project for my website development course. now, part of the requirements says that i need to create a story board to represent what content is to be displayed on each page. Now sighted students, would draw navigation and story board diagrams. now, had to do this in word tables and tried html. but my lecturer is still not happy with what i have come up with. now, just wondering, is there any software, that might be able to represent the story boards for the four websites that i am developing for this semester. any tips, tricks, or any other similar experiences. let me know, if anyone been in the same position. unfortunately the guy who did start to develop an accessible text to speech drawing software, got his phd, and did not complete the project and still in limbo. he got to the third user tests, and then nicked off. he did this at Burkely University in Callifornia and the product was to be called Intercommunication Draw 2. okay, can you help out or give suggestions or how to resolve these problems? cheers Marvin. _ What are you waiting for? Join Lavalife FREE http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Flavalife9%2Eninemsn%2Ecom %2Eau%2Fclickthru%2Fclickthru%2Eact%3Fid%3Dninemsn%26context%3Dan99%26loc ale%3Den%5FAU%26a%3D30288_t=764581033_r=email_taglines_Join_free_OCT07 _m=EXT *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
