RE: [WSG] Today's lesson: Respect - be courteous up or leave
I wholeheartedly agree with these incorrect/correct replies for a forum such as this one. About two or three years ago while reading a newsgroup post for Borland Delphi someone posted suggested rules for posting on any forum or newsgroup which was excellent, in the same vein as these by Russ...of course I have no idea were it is now but this post will light a fire under me to locate it once again. Kevin S Gallagher http://www.ormap.com/ (a work in progress) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of russ - maxdesign Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 1:58 PM To: Web Standards Group Subject: [WSG] Today's lesson: Respect - be courteous up or leave I want to talk today about respect. For those of you who have not heard of this concept, respect is sometimes defined as courteous regard for people's feelings. When you reply to a post on the list, you should at all times try to do so with respect. Everyone on this list is entitled to their own opinion. Sometimes they may be factually incorrect, other times they may have a different view from you but EVERYONE should be treated with respect. Below are some examples of replies that LACK respect: You are totally wrong That is silly That is stupid You know nothing about... You are dumb You smell Below are some more respectful alternatives: I'm not sure I agree with that I think you may be misinterpreting... I respectfully disagree for the following reasons Have you considered taking a bath? Today's lesson: when replying to others, be courteous or leave! In the near future I will cover a more subtle concept: how not to always have the last word on a subject. However, that is a bit advanced for now, one step at a time. Russ Miss Manors ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Today's lesson: Respect - be courteous up or leave
Lachlan Hunt wrote: Unfortunately, top posting (or failing to quote at all) is often the result users of broken e-mail clients (usually Outlook or some web based mail). I find the best approach is to just set a good example, and hope that others eventually get the idea and/or switch mail clients. For those users married to their MS Office suite (and thus Outlook), you may be interested in this: http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/outlook-quotefix/ Problem solved. JF -- John Foliot [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Accessibility Specialist WATS.ca - Web Accessibility Testing and Services http://www.wats.ca Phone: 1-613-482-7053 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Today's lesson: Respect - be courteous up or leave
russ - maxdesign wrote: Russ Miss Manors I respectfully would like to point out that Miss Manners may be more to the point. However, Russ, you are perfectly capable of representing big houses, it that's what floats your boat ;-) Cheers Mark Harris Technology Research and Consultancy Services ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Today's lesson: 'Respect' - be courteous up or leave
If cyberspace forums and message boards are the standard of measure, then common courtesy is anything but common anymore. The ability to put both distance and anonymity between one's self and someone else opens the way for people to say things they wouldn't dare say to someone's face. Sometimes, that's actually a good thing. Most of the time, though, it just leads to making common courtesy an uncommon online virtue.g. On Thu Feb 9 13:58 , russ - maxdesign sent:I want to talk today about respect. For those of you who have not heard of this concept, respect is sometimes defined as courteous regard for people's feelings. When you reply to a post on the list, you should at all times try to do so with respect. Everyone on this list is entitled to their own opinion. Sometimes they may be factually incorrect, other times they may have a different view from you but EVERYONE should be treated with respect. Below are some examples of replies that LACK respect: You are totally wrong That is silly That is stupid You know nothing about... You are dumb You smell Below are some more respectful alternatives: I'm not sure I agree with that I think you may be misinterpreting... I respectfully disagree for the following reasons Have you considered taking a bath? Today's lesson: when replying to others, be courteous or leave! In the near future I will cover a more subtle concept: how not to always have the last word on a subject. However, that is a bit advanced for now, one step at a time. Russ Miss Manors The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Today's lesson: Respect - be courteous up or leave
Russ, that was beautiful. The gentle sarcasm brought a tear of mirth to my eye. ta. lol. russ - maxdesign wrote: I want to talk today about respect. For those of you who have not heard of this concept, respect is sometimes defined as courteous regard for people's feelings. When you reply to a post on the list, you should at all times try to do so with respect. Everyone on this list is entitled to their own opinion. Sometimes they may be factually incorrect, other times they may have a different view from you but EVERYONE should be treated with respect. Below are some examples of replies that LACK respect: You are totally wrong That is silly That is stupid You know nothing about... You are dumb You smell Below are some more respectful alternatives: I'm not sure I agree with that I think you may be misinterpreting... I respectfully disagree for the following reasons Have you considered taking a bath? Today's lesson: when replying to others, be courteous or leave! In the near future I will cover a more subtle concept: how not to always have the last word on a subject. However, that is a bit advanced for now, one step at a time. Russ Miss Manors ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Today's lesson: Respect - be courteous up or leave
On 09/02/06, russ - maxdesign [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Russ Miss Manors Why do I get this sudden urge to humm The Commodores (She's a) Brick House? And, and please do something similar for posting ettiquette. Just looking at replies to this post there's two top posts which quote your entire message without any trimming... -- David liorean Andersson uri:http://liorean.web-graphics.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Today's lesson: Respect - be courteous up or leave
On 10/02/06, liorean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And, and please do something similar for posting ettiquette. Just looking at replies to this post there's two top posts which quote your entire message without any trimming... To stay off-topic here, that's the mail app's preference, probably. Gmail and the default Y! mail have top posting, but at least Y! mail can be changed. Oh, asking people to go through a bit more work to reply properly? Right. -Rob.
Re: [WSG] Today's lesson: Respect - be courteous up or leave
liorean wrote: And, and please do something similar for posting ettiquette. Just looking at replies to this post there's two top posts which quote your entire message without any trimming... Yes, I agree completely, though the issue of top posting is big can of worms that often sparks great debate, often on the same scale as the HTML vs XHTML debate. There are, in fact, a number of newsgroups and mailing lists where you're likely to get your head bitten off for failing to follow proper etiquette, but I don't find that very constructive. Unfortunately, top posting (or failing to quote at all) is often the result users of broken e-mail clients (usually Outlook or some web based mail). I find the best approach is to just set a good example, and hope that others eventually get the idea and/or switch mail clients. -- Lachlan Hunt http://lachy.id.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Today's lesson: Respect - be courteous up or leave
On 2/10/06, Rob Mientjes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/02/06, liorean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And, and please do something similar for posting ettiquette. Just looking at replies to this post there's two top posts which quote your entire message without any trimming... To stay off-topic here, that's the mail app's preference, probably. Gmail and the default Y! mail have top posting, but at least Y! mail can be changed. Maybe, but if I go through the trouble of bottom-posting in Gmail, others should too. Control-x, scroll, control-v. -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.com ... rdpdesign.com ... cssliquid.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
