Re: [WSG] flash navigation - Devils advocate

2008-06-26 Thread Jens Nedal
I think i agree with all of the above, that using Flash for navigation is not a good or applicable solution, even with appropiate fallback. The only reason i could think of for using Flash in this case would be, when a specific font is required, that will just not render properly with

Re: [WSG] flash navigation - Devils advocate

2008-06-25 Thread kevin mcmonagle
Hi Patrick, i know thats the case with flash but what about the css/xhtml no flash content that validates when you use swf object 2.0 static method. If theres no flash support it degrades to normal xhtml navigation. A more specific question is if the majority of users are using the flash to

Re: [WSG] flash navigation - Devils advocate

2008-06-25 Thread Rick Lecoat
On 25 Jun 2008, at 00:35, kevin mcmonagle wrote: Using swf object 2.0 embeded swfs as an xhtml sites primary navigation - what are the liabilities? Assuming SWFObject 2 is like SWFObject 1 it writes your Flash file into a named Div. This div can (and should) hold alternative/falback

Re: [WSG] flash navigation - Devils advocate

2008-06-25 Thread kevin mcmonagle
Rick Lecoat wrote: If the visitor has Flash then the Flash swf replaces the alternative content. If they don't (or if they don't have javascript turned on) then they'll get the fallback content, which should also suffice for search engines. (Of course, don't make your fallback navigation

Re: [WSG] flash navigation - Devils advocate

2008-06-25 Thread Matijs
Regardless of whether you stick alternative navigation in the div that's going to be replaced, I've personally found using Flash for navigation about the worst use of Flash possible. Are you sure that you cannot achieve what you want by using HTML with some enhancements thrown in by javascript?

Re: [WSG] flash navigation - Devils advocate

2008-06-25 Thread Matijs
There isn't really a way for a search engine to see how many times a link has been clicked. It is however possible for a search engine to see / count how many links are pointing to a page (either internally or externally), thereby measuring its 'popularity'. On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 12:44 PM,

Re: [WSG] flash navigation - Devils advocate

2008-06-25 Thread kevin mcmonagle
Thank you matijs thats what i was wondering, you make a good point about using javascript but im not an expert in using it. Matijs wrote: There isn't really a way for a search engine to see how many times a link has been clicked. It is however possible for a search engine to see / count how

Re: [WSG] flash navigation - Devils advocate

2008-06-25 Thread Rick Lecoat
On 25 Jun 2008, at 11:49, Matijs wrote: Regardless of whether you stick alternative navigation in the div that's going to be replaced, I've personally found using Flash for navigation about the worst use of Flash possible. Are you sure that you cannot achieve what you want by using HTML

Re: [WSG] flash navigation - Devils advocate

2008-06-25 Thread willdonovan
I know that there are a lot of free javascript libraries available for you to use without having to go to the extent of programming your own javascript features. things like dhtml goodies and scriptaculous, I'm sure the group has some other options but this is getting off topic now. a quick

Re: [WSG] flash navigation - Devils advocate

2008-06-24 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
kevin mcmonagle wrote: Using swf object 2.0 embeded swfs as an xhtml sites primary navigation - what are the liabilities? without flash, no navigation; not crawled/indexed by search engines; not keyboard-accessible in firefox; even in other browsers, not accessible unless you make damn sure

RE: [WSG] flash navigation - Devils advocate

2008-06-24 Thread Essential eBiz Solutions Ltd
If you want to use a flash based navigation system and you are using swf object then I would use the no script area to include a CSS based navigation system for non-flash users. This way it can be searched by Google etc and be user accessible. i.e. div id=flash_navigation ul id=navigation lia