Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation
On 4 Feb 2008, at 02:08, Susie Gardner-Brown wrote: A further query on the longdesc attribute. Is there any reason why I couldn’t use it on a Flash animation? Because object doesn't suck as much as img (from a design point of view, browser implementations rather wreck the idea). object data=my.swf pDetailed alternative content/p pIncluding multiple paragraphs and img src=foo.jpeg alt=images longdesc=foo.jpeg.html/p /object Since object is designed to allow rich alternative content, it shouldn't see a longdesc attribute. -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk/ http://blog.dorward.me.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] long description and its implementation
Most screen readers sit on top of whatever browser you are using. Professional screen readers can interact with JavaScript and Flash if these are enabled in the browser, although the level of support varies. In particular Flash content is often totally or partially inaccessible, although this is often avoidable with careful design. Screen readers do not read Flash content that is embedded using unobtrusive techniques such as SWFObject. I expect they would read the content that is supposed to be replaced, but I have never encountered an implementation where there was any alternate content. Does anyone have an example I can check? Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christian Snodgrass Sent: 04 February 2008 04:20 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation Maybe I'm confused. Do they usually have Flash installed? I thought that screen readers would default to whatever is suppose to be replaced with the Flash when using SWFObject. Maybe it defaults because the Flash isn't enabled... Though, I guess that could be wrong as well. Steve Green wrote: Such as? JAWS (which has something like 50% market share) has a high level of JavaScript support and I believe that the other professional screen readers (WindowEyes and HAL/SuperNova) also do. Free and cheap screen readers generally don't have JavaScript support. In our experience screen reader users do not turn off JavaScript. In fact they tend to use pretty much all software as it comes out of the box without any customisation. The one exception is Windows itself, where it is beneficial to enable Classic mode and make a few other adjustments, especially in Vista. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christian Snodgrass Sent: 04 February 2008 03:06 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation Mostly empirical evidence, though I've read it in many reliable sources. Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Christian Snodgrass wrote: (Most screen readers don't have Javascript enabled, so this is a valid method). Just wondering if this is based on stats or empirical evidence? P -- Christian Snodgrass Azure Ronin Web Design http://www.arwebdesign.net/ http://www.arwebdesign.net Phone: 859.816.7955 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] long description and its implementation
It's been a while since I've dealt with the issue of screen reader
accessibility and UFO insertion. I thought I remembered ours being screen
reader accessible until using window mode: transparent.
Here's a blog post about our solution.
http://www.last-child.com/make-flash-accessible-to-screen-readers-in-transpa
rent-window-mode/
The flash movie is no longer on Yahoo Tech
Ted
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Behalf Of Per Allan Johansson
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 3:06 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] long description and its implementation
Quoting Steve Green [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Screen readers do not read Flash content that is embedded using
unobtrusive
techniques such as SWFObject. I expect they would read the content
that is
supposed to be replaced, but I have never encountered an
implementation
where there was any alternate content. Does anyone have an example I
can
check?
http://www.fruhagen.no/page?id=889
The leftmenu is a big flash. The site was blind to Google, but in the
replacement div I also print the sitemap as plain html. Google was happy
and the site was open again :)
div id=swf-leftmenu
ul
lia href=page?id=889
title=ForsidenForsiden/a/li
lia href=page?id=989 title=MenyMeny/aul
lia
href=page?id=990Bordbestilling/a/li
/ul
/li
lia href=page?id=984 title=Hva skjer hos
ossHva skjer hos oss/aul
lia href=page?id=985En fin side, noe
skjer/a/li
/ul
/li
lia href=page?id=977 title=Jobbe hos
oss?Jobbe hos oss?/aul
lia href=page?id=978Jobbe hos
oss?/a/li
lia href=page?id=979Ledige
stillinger/a/li
lia href=page?id=986Kontakt
oss/a/li
/ul
/li
lia href=page?id=971 title=Om Fru HagenOm
Fru Hagen/aul
lia href=page?id=976Fakta/a/li
/ul
/li
lia href=page?id=980
title=BildegalleriBildegalleri/aul
lia
href=page?id=981Bildegalleri/a/li
/ul
/li
lia href=page?id=973
title=SidekartSidekart/a/li
lia href=page?id=975
title=FeilsideFeilside/a/li
lia href=page?id=991
title=startstart/a/li
/ul
/divscript type=text/javascript
var so = new SWFObject('binary?id=44180', 'leftmenu',
'223', '545', '9', '#efefef');
so.addParam('wmode','transparent');
so.addVariable('XMLfeed', 'page?id=965%26pid=889');
so.write('swf-leftmenu');
/script
Work just fine as a good replacement. I should really update my css to
make it a little better to look at if the flash fails!
I made the same deal here: www.fridays.no
--
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RE: [WSG] long description and its implementation
I checked www.salford.ac.uk with JAWS 7.10 and 9.0, and neither of them see either the linked image or the Flash content. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick H. Lauke Sent: 04 February 2008 13:27 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] long description and its implementation Quoting Steve Green [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Screen readers do not read Flash content that is embedded using unobtrusive techniques such as SWFObject. I expect they would read the content that is supposed to be replaced, but I have never encountered an implementation where there was any alternate content. Does anyone have an example I can check? Try www.salford.ac.uk - there's a big flash movie at the start of the content area, which is put in place via UFO. w/out flash/js, there's just a big linked image there instead. P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re.dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ Take it to the streets ... join the WaSP Street Team http://streetteam.webstandards.org/ __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] long description and its implementation
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted Drake Sent: 04 February 2008 14:41 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] long description and its implementation It's been a while since I've dealt with the issue of screen reader accessibility and UFO insertion. I thought I remembered ours being screen reader accessible until using window mode: transparent. Here's a blog post about our solution. http://www.last-child.com/make-flash-accessible-to-screen-read ers-in-transpa rent-window-mode/ The flash movie is no longer on Yahoo Tech Ah, bingo...I do set it as transparent (because sadly it needs to be, as the movie, when clicked, overlaps the buttons below). As it's pretty much eye candy, I left it at that at the time (and then promptly forgot about it until now). P Patrick H. Lauke Web Editor Enterprise Development University of Salford Room 113, Faraday House Salford, Greater Manchester M5 4WT UK T +44 (0) 161 295 4779 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.salford.ac.uk A GREATER MANCHESTER UNIVERSITY *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] long description and its implementation
This behaves the same as the Salford website. JAWS does not see either the
Flash content or the HTML site map.
Steve
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Per Allan Johansson
Sent: 04 February 2008 14:06
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] long description and its implementation
Quoting Steve Green [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Screen readers do not read Flash content that is embedded using
unobtrusive
techniques such as SWFObject. I expect they would read the content
that is
supposed to be replaced, but I have never encountered an
implementation
where there was any alternate content. Does anyone have an example I
can
check?
http://www.fruhagen.no/page?id=889
The leftmenu is a big flash. The site was blind to Google, but in the
replacement div I also print the sitemap as plain html. Google was happy and
the site was open again :)
div id=swf-leftmenu
ul
lia href=page?id=889
title=ForsidenForsiden/a/li
lia href=page?id=989 title=MenyMeny/aul
lia
href=page?id=990Bordbestilling/a/li
/ul
/li
lia href=page?id=984 title=Hva skjer hos ossHva
skjer hos oss/aul
lia href=page?id=985En fin side, noe
skjer/a/li
/ul
/li
lia href=page?id=977 title=Jobbe hos oss?Jobbe
hos oss?/aul
lia href=page?id=978Jobbe hos oss?/a/li
lia href=page?id=979Ledige
stillinger/a/li
lia href=page?id=986Kontakt oss/a/li
/ul
/li
lia href=page?id=971 title=Om Fru HagenOm Fru
Hagen/aul
lia href=page?id=976Fakta/a/li
/ul
/li
lia href=page?id=980
title=BildegalleriBildegalleri/aul
lia
href=page?id=981Bildegalleri/a/li
/ul
/li
lia href=page?id=973
title=SidekartSidekart/a/li
lia href=page?id=975
title=FeilsideFeilside/a/li
lia href=page?id=991
title=startstart/a/li
/ul
/divscript type=text/javascript
var so = new SWFObject('binary?id=44180', 'leftmenu', '223',
'545', '9', '#efefef');
so.addParam('wmode','transparent');
so.addVariable('XMLfeed', 'page?id=965%26pid=889');
so.write('swf-leftmenu');
/script
Work just fine as a good replacement. I should really update my css to make
it a little better to look at if the flash fails!
I made the same deal here: www.fridays.no
--
Per Allan
Enonic
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RE: [WSG] long description and its implementation
Quoting Steve Green [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Screen readers do not read Flash content that is embedded using unobtrusive techniques such as SWFObject. I expect they would read the content that is supposed to be replaced, but I have never encountered an implementation where there was any alternate content. Does anyone have an example I can check? Try www.salford.ac.uk - there's a big flash movie at the start of the content area, which is put in place via UFO. w/out flash/js, there's just a big linked image there instead. P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ Take it to the streets ... join the WaSP Street Team http://streetteam.webstandards.org/ __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] long description and its implementation
Interesting...so what DO you get? Is that with JS enabled? P -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Green Sent: 04 February 2008 14:23 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] long description and its implementation I checked www.salford.ac.uk with JAWS 7.10 and 9.0, and neither of them see either the linked image or the Flash content. Steve *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] long description and its implementation
Quoting Steve Green [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Screen readers do not read Flash content that is embedded using
unobtrusive
techniques such as SWFObject. I expect they would read the content
that is
supposed to be replaced, but I have never encountered an
implementation
where there was any alternate content. Does anyone have an example I
can
check?
http://www.fruhagen.no/page?id=889
The leftmenu is a big flash. The site was blind to Google, but in the
replacement div I also print the sitemap as plain html. Google was happy
and the site was open again :)
div id=swf-leftmenu
ul
lia href=page?id=889
title=ForsidenForsiden/a/li
lia href=page?id=989 title=MenyMeny/aul
lia
href=page?id=990Bordbestilling/a/li
/ul
/li
lia href=page?id=984 title=Hva skjer hos
ossHva skjer hos oss/aul
lia href=page?id=985En fin side, noe
skjer/a/li
/ul
/li
lia href=page?id=977 title=Jobbe hos
oss?Jobbe hos oss?/aul
lia href=page?id=978Jobbe hos
oss?/a/li
lia href=page?id=979Ledige
stillinger/a/li
lia href=page?id=986Kontakt
oss/a/li
/ul
/li
lia href=page?id=971 title=Om Fru HagenOm
Fru Hagen/aul
lia href=page?id=976Fakta/a/li
/ul
/li
lia href=page?id=980
title=BildegalleriBildegalleri/aul
lia
href=page?id=981Bildegalleri/a/li
/ul
/li
lia href=page?id=973
title=SidekartSidekart/a/li
lia href=page?id=975
title=FeilsideFeilside/a/li
lia href=page?id=991
title=startstart/a/li
/ul
/divscript type=text/javascript
var so = new SWFObject('binary?id=44180', 'leftmenu',
'223', '545', '9', '#efefef');
so.addParam('wmode','transparent');
so.addVariable('XMLfeed', 'page?id=965%26pid=889');
so.write('swf-leftmenu');
/script
Work just fine as a good replacement. I should really update my css to
make it a little better to look at if the flash fails!
I made the same deal here: www.fridays.no
--
Per Allan
Enonic
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RE: [WSG] long description and its implementation
You get nothing. JAWS goes straight from the left-hand menu to the list of three links (study, research and business) in the centre of the page. This is with JavaScript enabled. With JavaScript turned off, JAWS reads the image link. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Lauke Sent: 04 February 2008 16:08 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] long description and its implementation Interesting...so what DO you get? Is that with JS enabled? P -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Green Sent: 04 February 2008 14:23 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] long description and its implementation I checked www.salford.ac.uk with JAWS 7.10 and 9.0, and neither of them see either the linked image or the Flash content. Steve *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation
A further query on the longdesc attribute. Is there any reason why I couldn¹t use it on a Flash animation? It¹d be a great solution for a current problem where I¹m trying to update an oldish website to be more accessible. I¹ve got a Flash animation that¹s a list of (6) headings, each with 3 options (advantage, disadvantage, strategy) that are accessed by clicking on an icon (18 in total). I was going to convert it to a table but maybe I could leave it as the Flash animation and have a longdesc link? Any thoughts? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation
Christian Snodgrass wrote: (Most screen readers don't have Javascript enabled, so this is a valid method). Just wondering if this is based on stats or empirical evidence? P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation
Mostly empirical evidence, though I've read it in many reliable sources. Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Christian Snodgrass wrote: (Most screen readers don't have Javascript enabled, so this is a valid method). Just wondering if this is based on stats or empirical evidence? P -- Christian Snodgrass Azure Ronin Web Design http://www.arwebdesign.net/ http://www.arwebdesign.net Phone: 859.816.7955 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation
Ah well, for a minute there I got quite excited!! Should have realised I'd already know about this if it was a real possibility!! Thanks for all the info ... :) - susie On 4/2/08 12:23 PM, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susie Gardner-Brown wrote: A further query on the longdesc attribute. Is there any reason why I couldn¹t use it on a Flash animation? The fact that OBJECT doesn't have a longdesc attribute may be the first reason why you couldn't... http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/objects.html#h-13.3 Fallback content for OBJECT should be placed within the OBJECT element itself. P *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation
Susie Gardner-Brown wrote: A further query on the longdesc attribute. Is there any reason why I couldn’t use it on a Flash animation? The fact that OBJECT doesn't have a longdesc attribute may be the first reason why you couldn't... http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/objects.html#h-13.3 Fallback content for OBJECT should be placed within the OBJECT element itself. P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] long description and its implementation
Such as? JAWS (which has something like 50% market share) has a high level of JavaScript support and I believe that the other professional screen readers (WindowEyes and HAL/SuperNova) also do. Free and cheap screen readers generally don't have JavaScript support. In our experience screen reader users do not turn off JavaScript. In fact they tend to use pretty much all software as it comes out of the box without any customisation. The one exception is Windows itself, where it is beneficial to enable Classic mode and make a few other adjustments, especially in Vista. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christian Snodgrass Sent: 04 February 2008 03:06 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation Mostly empirical evidence, though I've read it in many reliable sources. Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Christian Snodgrass wrote: (Most screen readers don't have Javascript enabled, so this is a valid method). Just wondering if this is based on stats or empirical evidence? P -- Christian Snodgrass Azure Ronin Web Design http://www.arwebdesign.net/ http://www.arwebdesign.net Phone: 859.816.7955 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation
Maybe I'm confused. Do they usually have Flash installed? I thought that screen readers would default to whatever is suppose to be replaced with the Flash when using SWFObject. Maybe it defaults because the Flash isn't enabled... Though, I guess that could be wrong as well. Steve Green wrote: Such as? JAWS (which has something like 50% market share) has a high level of JavaScript support and I believe that the other professional screen readers (WindowEyes and HAL/SuperNova) also do. Free and cheap screen readers generally don't have JavaScript support. In our experience screen reader users do not turn off JavaScript. In fact they tend to use pretty much all software as it comes out of the box without any customisation. The one exception is Windows itself, where it is beneficial to enable Classic mode and make a few other adjustments, especially in Vista. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christian Snodgrass Sent: 04 February 2008 03:06 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation Mostly empirical evidence, though I've read it in many reliable sources. Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Christian Snodgrass wrote: (Most screen readers don't have Javascript enabled, so this is a valid method). Just wondering if this is based on stats or empirical evidence? P -- Christian Snodgrass Azure Ronin Web Design http://www.arwebdesign.net/ http://www.arwebdesign.net Phone: 859.816.7955 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation
It looks like longdesc is only a valid attribute for images. You could use Javascript (with something like SWFObject) to place the Flash movie. How most work (including SWFObject) is that they actually replace another element (usually div) to place the Flash. That means, if Javascript isn't enabled, the original contents of the div are left in tack. You could put what you would put in a longdesc in this initial div, and then replace it with Flash for those that have Javascript enabled. (Most screen readers don't have Javascript enabled, so this is a valid method). This is pretty much the standard method for having (almost) accessible Flash. Susie Gardner-Brown wrote: A further query on the longdesc attribute. Is there any reason why I couldn’t use it on a Flash animation? It’d be a great solution for a current problem where I’m trying to update an oldish website to be more accessible. I’ve got a Flash animation that’s a list of (6) headings, each with 3 options (advantage, disadvantage, strategy) that are accessed by clicking on an icon (18 in total). I was going to convert it to a table but maybe I could leave it as the Flash animation and have a longdesc link? Any thoughts? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Christian Snodgrass Azure Ronin Web Design http://www.arwebdesign.net/ http://www.arwebdesign.net Phone: 859.816.7955 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation
On 2 Feb 2008, at 06:26, dwain wrote: i was saddened by the D link being deprecated. I'm not; as techniques go, it is ugly and confusing. Unless a user is aware of the convention, they are left wondering what a link labelled d means. -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk/ http://blog.dorward.me.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation
i see your point. On 2/2/08, David Dorward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2 Feb 2008, at 06:26, dwain wrote: i was saddened by the D link being deprecated. I'm not; as techniques go, it is ugly and confusing. Unless a user is aware of the convention, they are left wondering what a link labelled d means. -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk/ http://blog.dorward.me.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation
You don't need a longdesc in that example because you're already linking to it by an anchor. On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 17:34:09 +1000, dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: here's the link to the example: http://studiokdd.com/sandbox/abstract-christian-art-new-testament.html i have the jesus and disciples pic set to the long description and the text link to the larger pic. any feedback would be appreciated. dwain On 2/2/08, Elizabeth Spiegel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dwain See Joe Clark's book, Building accessible websites - online at http://joeclark.org/book/sashay/serialization/Chapter06.html Elizabeth Spiegel Web editing 0409 986 158 GPO Box 729, Hobart TAS 7001 www.spiegelweb.com.au From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dwain Sent: Saturday, 2 February 2008 4:33 PM To: web standards group Subject: [WSG] long description and its implementation i have looked at the html 4.01 specs and i did not see any examples of how to implement the longdesc element. i am working on long descriptions on separate pages for each work of art on my web site. i am planning on placing a D link next to the text title of the work on the main category page. could someone point me in the direction to any other references as to the proper implementation of the longdesc element? maybe someone would provide a standards compliant example? tia, dwain -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Tyssen Design http://www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation
David Dorward wrote: On 2 Feb 2008, at 06:26, dwain wrote: i was saddened by the D link being deprecated. I'm not; as techniques go, it is ugly and confusing. Unless a user is aware of the convention, they are left wondering what a link labelled d means. Absolutely. I'm puzzled that browsers themselves don't offer a native way of getting to the longdesc (unless there's AT running on top). Incidentally, ages ago I made this small extension for Firefox http://www.splintered.co.uk/experiments/55/ -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] long description and its implementation
On Behalf Of dwain here's the link to the example: http://studiokdd.com/sandbox/abstract-christian-art-new-testament.html i have the jesus and disciples pic set to the long description and the text link to the larger pic. any feedback would be appreciated. Don't you think this approach may confuse sighted users? Most people expect thumbnail images to be linked to a larger version. I'd do the opposite and use the link for the long description page, but moving it off-screen (bringing it back into view for keyboard users). I'd also use a script to build the link (pulling the HREF value from the longdesc attribute), since the resource is already part of the document. -- Regards, Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation
you are saying put the longdesc on the text rather than the image. i will be adding text saying that if you click the image it will take you to the longdesc and click the text link to take you to a larger version of the picture. i see your point though. i'll give it a try and put the page back up for more comments. dwain On 2/2/08, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Behalf Of dwain here's the link to the example: http://studiokdd.com/sandbox/abstract-christian-art-new-testament.html i have the jesus and disciples pic set to the long description and the text link to the larger pic. any feedback would be appreciated. Don't you think this approach may confuse sighted users? Most people expect thumbnail images to be linked to a larger version. I'd do the opposite and use the link for the long description page, but moving it off-screen (bringing it back into view for keyboard users). I'd also use a script to build the link (pulling the HREF value from the longdesc attribute), since the resource is already part of the document. -- Regards, Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation
thierry, i do belive that this is more intuitive. thanks for your input. i think that text saying that the text link leads to a longdesc of the work. how does that sound to the group. should work well in a screen reader too. as for the scripting, i have no clue how to do it. my education has not gone that far yet. it is a major draw back to being just a designer and not a developer. there is still much i need to learn (js, php, mysql), but $$$ is the hold up at the moment. books help, but some instruction would be most valuable. dwain On 2/2/08, dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you are saying put the longdesc on the text rather than the image. i will be adding text saying that if you click the image it will take you to the longdesc and click the text link to take you to a larger version of the picture. i see your point though. i'll give it a try and put the page back up for more comments. dwain On 2/2/08, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Behalf Of dwain here's the link to the example: http://studiokdd.com/sandbox/abstract-christian-art-new-testament.html i have the jesus and disciples pic set to the long description and the text link to the larger pic. any feedback would be appreciated. Don't you think this approach may confuse sighted users? Most people expect thumbnail images to be linked to a larger version. I'd do the opposite and use the link for the long description page, but moving it off-screen (bringing it back into view for keyboard users). I'd also use a script to build the link (pulling the HREF value from the longdesc attribute), since the resource is already part of the document. -- Regards, Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation
dwain wrote: you are saying put the longdesc on the text rather than the image. i will be adding text saying that if you click the image it will take you to the longdesc and click the text link to take you to a larger version of the picture. I'd posit that sighted users, when coming across a page of thumbnails, will still expect the thumbs to take them to the larger view, regardless of any text you put in anywhere else on the page. If I had to add long description, I'd include it on the actual page that shows the larger version of the painting - either as part of the text on the right itself, or as a clearly marked link underneath the large image (text description of this painting or similar). P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation
excellent suggestion!! i have other plans for the page with the larger image as far as a description goes, but the link text suggestion is superb. i wanted a way to let screen readers know that there was a description of the image for non-sighted, blind, whatever is politically correct these days, available for accessibility. dwain On 2/2/08, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dwain wrote: you are saying put the longdesc on the text rather than the image. i will be adding text saying that if you click the image it will take you to the longdesc and click the text link to take you to a larger version of the picture. I'd posit that sighted users, when coming across a page of thumbnails, will still expect the thumbs to take them to the larger view, regardless of any text you put in anywhere else on the page. If I had to add long description, I'd include it on the actual page that shows the larger version of the painting - either as part of the text on the right itself, or as a clearly marked link underneath the large image (text description of this painting or similar). P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] long description and its implementation
On Behalf Of dwain excellent suggestion!! i have other plans for the page with the larger image as far as a description goes, but the link text suggestion is superb. i wanted a way to let screen readers know that there was a description of the image for non-sighted, blind, whatever is politically correct these days, available for accessibility. If these links are for screen-reader users, then why not hiding them in visual browsers? imho, many sighted users will be confused by your long description pages, I believe most users won't understand their purpose. Unless of course they do more than describing the image. For example, in the case these images are not only described, but *interpreted* (for example by the artist explaining his work, symbolic, etc). If it is the latter, then the description is for all users. -- Regards, Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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i do go into some detail about color meanings and the symbolism behind the work, so i think that it could be of benefit to both sighted and visually challenged individuals. dwain On 2/2/08, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Behalf Of dwain excellent suggestion!! i have other plans for the page with the larger image as far as a description goes, but the link text suggestion is superb. i wanted a way to let screen readers know that there was a description of the image for non-sighted, blind, whatever is politically correct these days, available for accessibility. If these links are for screen-reader users, then why not hiding them in visual browsers? imho, many sighted users will be confused by your long description pages, I believe most users won't understand their purpose. Unless of course they do more than describing the image. For example, in the case these images are not only described, but *interpreted* (for example by the artist explaining his work, symbolic, etc). If it is the latter, then the description is for all users. -- Regards, Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation
If that is the case, you could just use simple links and have a mention about clicking on the artwork to read an in-depth description. dwain wrote: i do go into some detail about color meanings and the symbolism behind the work, so i think that it could be of benefit to both sighted and visually challenged individuals. dwain On 2/2/08, *Thierry Koblentz* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Behalf Of dwain excellent suggestion!! i have other plans for the page with the larger image as far as a description goes, but the link text suggestion is superb. i wanted a way to let screen readers know that there was a description of the image for non-sighted, blind, whatever is politically correct these days, available for accessibility. If these links are for screen-reader users, then why not hiding them in visual browsers? imho, many sighted users will be confused by your long description pages, I believe most users won't understand their purpose. Unless of course they do more than describing the image. For example, in the case these images are not only described, but *interpreted* (for example by the artist explaining his work, symbolic, etc). If it is the latter, then the description is for all users. -- Regards, Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Christian Snodgrass Azure Ronin Web Design http://www.arwebdesign.net/ http://www.arwebdesign.net Phone: 859.816.7955 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation
thanks to all of you who have commented on this concern of mine. i really appreciate the feed back. time to lurk again. cheers, dwain On 2/2/08, Christian Snodgrass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If that is the case, you could just use simple links and have a mention about clicking on the artwork to read an in-depth description. dwain wrote: i do go into some detail about color meanings and the symbolism behind the work, so i think that it could be of benefit to both sighted and visually challenged individuals. dwain On 2/2/08, *Thierry Koblentz* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Behalf Of dwain excellent suggestion!! i have other plans for the page with the larger image as far as a description goes, but the link text suggestion is superb. i wanted a way to let screen readers know that there was a description of the image for non-sighted, blind, whatever is politically correct these days, available for accessibility. If these links are for screen-reader users, then why not hiding them in visual browsers? imho, many sighted users will be confused by your long description pages, I believe most users won't understand their purpose. Unless of course they do more than describing the image. For example, in the case these images are not only described, but *interpreted* (for example by the artist explaining his work, symbolic, etc). If it is the latter, then the description is for all users. -- Regards, Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Christian Snodgrass Azure Ronin Web Design http://www.arwebdesign.net/ http://www.arwebdesign.net Phone: 859.816.7955 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation
Longdesc is actually an attribute. It's most commonly used with the img element, though it works for several other multimedia-related options. Basically, you just add the attribute to your img tag, and then the value of the longdesc attribute is the path to the longdesc file. Here is something I found about longdesc: http://www.w3.org/WAI/wcag-curric/sam3-0.htm And here it is in the objects, images, and applets section of the W3C specification: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/objects.html#adef-longdesc-IMG Hope that helps. dwain wrote: i have looked at the html 4.01 specs and i did not see any examples of how to implement the longdesc element. i am working on long descriptions on separate pages for each work of art on my web site. i am planning on placing a D link next to the text title of the work on the main category page. could someone point me in the direction to any other references as to the proper implementation of the longdesc element? maybe someone would provide a standards compliant example? tia, dwain -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Christian Snodgrass Azure Ronin Web Design http://www.arwebdesign.net/ http://www.arwebdesign.net Phone: 859.816.7955 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Hi Dwain See Joe Clark's book, Building accessible websites - online at http://joeclark.org/book/sashay/serialization/Chapter06.html Elizabeth Spiegel Web editing 0409 986 158 GPO Box 729, Hobart TAS 7001 www.spiegelweb.com.au From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dwain Sent: Saturday, 2 February 2008 4:33 PM To: web standards group Subject: [WSG] long description and its implementation i have looked at the html 4.01 specs and i did not see any examples of how to implement the longdesc element. i am working on long descriptions on separate pages for each work of art on my web site. i am planning on placing a D link next to the text title of the work on the main category page. could someone point me in the direction to any other references as to the proper implementation of the longdesc element? maybe someone would provide a standards compliant example? tia, dwain -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation
thanks christian. i did a google search and found what i was looking for. i was saddened by the D link being deprecated. don't know how i'm going to do this, so i've got some testing to do to see how this is going to play out. dwain On 2/2/08, Christian Snodgrass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Longdesc is actually an attribute. It's most commonly used with the img element, though it works for several other multimedia-related options. Basically, you just add the attribute to your img tag, and then the value of the longdesc attribute is the path to the longdesc file. Here is something I found about longdesc: http://www.w3.org/WAI/wcag-curric/sam3-0.htm And here it is in the objects, images, and applets section of the W3C specification: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/objects.html#adef-longdesc-IMG Hope that helps. dwain wrote: i have looked at the html 4.01 specs and i did not see any examples of how to implement the longdesc element. i am working on long descriptions on separate pages for each work of art on my web site. i am planning on placing a D link next to the text title of the work on the main category page. could someone point me in the direction to any other references as to the proper implementation of the longdesc element? maybe someone would provide a standards compliant example? tia, dwain -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Christian Snodgrass Azure Ronin Web Design http://www.arwebdesign.net/ http://www.arwebdesign.net Phone: 859.816.7955 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation
thanks elizabeth. the article was helpful. here's my situation. the image that i am using is a link to the longdesc. the title text under the image links to a larger version of the image. now let's ask the standards compliant question. with text in the content specifying the difference between clicking the image and where it goes and clicking the text and where it goes, would that be standards acceptable? as i read the code, i don't see a problem with screen readers, which is the target audience for this technique. dwain On 2/2/08, Elizabeth Spiegel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dwain See Joe Clark's book, Building accessible websites - online at http://joeclark.org/book/sashay/serialization/Chapter06.html Elizabeth Spiegel Web editing 0409 986 158 GPO Box 729, Hobart TAS 7001 www.spiegelweb.com.au From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dwain Sent: Saturday, 2 February 2008 4:33 PM To: web standards group Subject: [WSG] long description and its implementation i have looked at the html 4.01 specs and i did not see any examples of how to implement the longdesc element. i am working on long descriptions on separate pages for each work of art on my web site. i am planning on placing a D link next to the text title of the work on the main category page. could someone point me in the direction to any other references as to the proper implementation of the longdesc element? maybe someone would provide a standards compliant example? tia, dwain -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation
here's the link to the example: http://studiokdd.com/sandbox/abstract-christian-art-new-testament.html i have the jesus and disciples pic set to the long description and the text link to the larger pic. any feedback would be appreciated. dwain On 2/2/08, Elizabeth Spiegel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dwain See Joe Clark's book, Building accessible websites - online at http://joeclark.org/book/sashay/serialization/Chapter06.html Elizabeth Spiegel Web editing 0409 986 158 GPO Box 729, Hobart TAS 7001 www.spiegelweb.com.au From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dwain Sent: Saturday, 2 February 2008 4:33 PM To: web standards group Subject: [WSG] long description and its implementation i have looked at the html 4.01 specs and i did not see any examples of how to implement the longdesc element. i am working on long descriptions on separate pages for each work of art on my web site. i am planning on placing a D link next to the text title of the work on the main category page. could someone point me in the direction to any other references as to the proper implementation of the longdesc element? maybe someone would provide a standards compliant example? tia, dwain -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
