Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [WSG] Styling forms
Perhaps Chris But standards people are interested in following standards, not what others may do. We are meant to be leaders, not followers. I also know some people who still want tabled layouts running in Mambo. That doesn't mean their options are either standards compliant nor sensible. There's nothing stopping us from: id =form element_1 id =form element_2 id =form element_3 if we need to order elements. Or have I missed something? Joe On Feb 8 2008, at 07:30, Chris Knowles wrote: Joe Ortenzi wrote: I would have thought so. Isn't that what the id attribute is used for? Something for JavaScript to reference? Chris Knowles wrote: CK from what I can see the reason lists have come into use in forms has a CK lot to do with javascript libraries that have re-ordering of elements by CK drag and drop that tend to work mainly on lists. Therefore lists are CK useful to wrap form elements if you are creating form building software CK so the form elements can be easily reordered by non-technical users. I suppose that form elements can be easily reordered even if form elements are not LI-wrapped. Can't they? yes, but my point was that a lot of js libraries base drag and drop re-ordering of elements around list elements and not other elements. And I have noticed a lot of form building services use lists to markup forms because they require drag and drop re- ordering of form elements. So I'm suggesting they are only using list elements because they can add drag and drop easily by using an external library that supports it, not because they think lists are necessarily a good markup choice. -- Chris Knowles *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.joiz.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [WSG] Styling forms
Joe Ortenzi wrote: Perhaps Chris But standards people are interested in following standards, not what others may do. We are meant to be leaders, not followers. I also know some people who still want tabled layouts running in Mambo. That doesn't mean their options are either standards compliant nor sensible. what i really meant was, I can't see why people would use lists for forms and I don't know why they have started doing so. I was just offering one possible reason why they have. There's nothing stopping us from: id =form element_1 id =form element_2 id =form element_3 if we need to order elements. Or have I missed something? yes, you can do it that way. I myself tried to implement a drag and drop on table rows which essentially worked quite well but messed up inexplicably at times in certain browsers and therefore wasn't an acceptable solution. And it took some time to code, so what I'm saying is, it's easier in a case like that to implement as a list if possible and use a pre-written javascript library that easily adds drag and drop to lists in a few lines of code. Therefore, you start using markup based on pre-written libraries and not on your natural choice. Hence, maybe thats where this using lists in forms has come from? -- Chris Knowles *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [WSG] Styling forms
Chris Knowles wrote: CK from what I can see the reason lists have come into use in forms has a CK lot to do with javascript libraries that have re-ordering of elements by CK drag and drop that tend to work mainly on lists. Therefore lists are CK useful to wrap form elements if you are creating form building software CK so the form elements can be easily reordered by non-technical users. I suppose that form elements can be easily reordered even if form elements are not LI-wrapped. Can't they? Regards, Alexey Novikov http://studiomade.ru *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [WSG] Styling forms
I would have thought so. Isn't that what the id attribute is used for? Something for JavaScript to reference? On Feb 7 2008, at 22:17, Алексей Новиков wrote: Chris Knowles wrote: CK from what I can see the reason lists have come into use in forms has a CK lot to do with javascript libraries that have re-ordering of elements by CK drag and drop that tend to work mainly on lists. Therefore lists are CK useful to wrap form elements if you are creating form building software CK so the form elements can be easily reordered by non-technical users. I suppose that form elements can be easily reordered even if form elements are not LI-wrapped. Can't they? Regards, Alexey Novikov http://studiomade.ru *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.joiz.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] Re: [WSG] Styling forms
Joe Ortenzi wrote: I would have thought so. Isn't that what the id attribute is used for? Something for JavaScript to reference? Chris Knowles wrote: CK from what I can see the reason lists have come into use in forms has a CK lot to do with javascript libraries that have re-ordering of elements by CK drag and drop that tend to work mainly on lists. Therefore lists are CK useful to wrap form elements if you are creating form building software CK so the form elements can be easily reordered by non-technical users. I suppose that form elements can be easily reordered even if form elements are not LI-wrapped. Can't they? yes, but my point was that a lot of js libraries base drag and drop re-ordering of elements around list elements and not other elements. And I have noticed a lot of form building services use lists to markup forms because they require drag and drop re-ordering of form elements. So I'm suggesting they are only using list elements because they can add drag and drop easily by using an external library that supports it, not because they think lists are necessarily a good markup choice. -- Chris Knowles *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
