Re: [WSG] Flash and valid XHTML
Olá Erwin, I've been using the reusable FlashObject script from Geoff Stearns and I think that it is the best and more efficient method around, because, with Flash Satay method, if you have a series of movies, you would need to create a series of small loaders which is just not practical. And the direct communication of variables between the page and the flash movie and back again is not questioned. And it provides validation... based on a hack, sure, but still validation, with no harm done to the users or to the standards - I just hope that Macromedia and browser's developers resolve this situation quickly as flash format is not something that we can just forget and put aside. http://blog.deconcept.com/2005/03/31/proper-flash-embedding-flashobject-best-practices/ Cumprimentos, Roberto Erwin Heiser wrote: Hi all, So far I¹ve been able to avoid using Flash but a site I¹m working on uses a few flash elements (like a slideshow). I¹ve been googling around but besides the alistapart article on Flash-Satay I¹ve not been able to find another method of embedding flash in a page so that it still validates. Does anyone with more flash experience have any suggestions? (I'd like the pages to validate to XHTML Strict or Transitional) Thanks in advance, Erwin Heiser ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Flash and valid XHTML
Erwin, Am Mittwoch, 29. Juni 2005 um 19:16:22 haben Sie geschrieben: I¹ve not been able to find another method of embedding flash in a page so that it still validates. I use IE Conditional Comments: !--[if IE] object classid=clsid:D27CDB6E-AE6D-11cf-96B8-44455354 param name=movie value=/flash/homepage.swf / param name=quality value=high / param name=wmode value=transparent / img src=/img/flash/homepage.jpg alt= / /object ![endif]--!--[if !IE]x-- object data=/flash/homepage.swf type=application/x-shockwave-flash param name=movie value=/flash/homepage.swf / param name=quality value=high / param name=wmode value=transparent / img src=/img/flash/homepage.jpg alt= / /object !--![endif]-- regards, Martin ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Flash and valid XHTML
I use IE Conditional Comments: Isn't it a bit overkill? -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Flash and valid XHTML
Jan, Am Donnerstag, 30. Juni 2005 um 10:28:18 haben Sie geschrieben: I use IE Conditional Comments: Isn't it a bit overkill? Why do you think so? I had some problems with flash satay and IE 5.x so I switched over to this method. And if you don't use loads of small flash movies in a page it's not too much overhead. But I think it's a question of personal preference. Martin. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Flash and valid XHTML
I use IE Conditional Comments: Isn't it a bit overkill? Why do you think so? Having the code twice, you know... I don't (personally) like the idea of having these two block separately. I had some problems with flash satay and IE 5.x so I switched over to this method. And if you don't use loads of small flash movies in a page it's not too much overhead. So I started to use the FlashObject... -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Flash and valid XHTML
Jan, So I started to use the FlashObject... And I don't like to depend on JavaScript... ;-) But it's good to have both methods: you can choose. Martin ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Flash and valid XHTML
Erwin, What's wrong with satay? Why do you need something else? Thanks, Tatham Oddie Fuel Advance - Ignite Your Idea www.fueladvance.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erwin Heiser Sent: Thursday, 30 June 2005 3:16 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Flash and valid XHTML Hi all, So far I¹ve been able to avoid using Flash but a site I¹m working on uses a few flash elements (like a slideshow). I¹ve been googling around but besides the alistapart article on Flash-Satay I¹ve not been able to find another method of embedding flash in a page so that it still validates. Does anyone with more flash experience have any suggestions? (I'd like the pages to validate to XHTML Strict or Transitional) Thanks in advance, Erwin Heiser ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Flash and valid XHTML
You can use satay method http://alistapart.com/articles/flashsatay/ cheers Daniele http://www.gizax.it Gizax Studios, Internet Accessibility - Original Message - From: Erwin Heiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 7:16 PM Subject: [WSG] Flash and valid XHTML Hi all, So far I¹ve been able to avoid using Flash but a site I¹m working on uses a few flash elements (like a slideshow). I¹ve been googling around but besides the alistapart article on Flash-Satay I¹ve not been able to find another method of embedding flash in a page so that it still validates. Does anyone with more flash experience have any suggestions? (I'd like the pages to validate to XHTML Strict or Transitional) Thanks in advance, Erwin Heiser ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Flash and valid XHTML
Erwin, You may want to read the discussion on Dream McLellan's site (author of the ALA Flash Satay article) on Flash in XHTML -- http://allinthehead.com/retro/234/embedding-macromedia-flash-in-xhtml See http://www.ambience.sk/flash-valid.htm for a different method than Flash Satay in which no container movie is necessary for the page to validate. --- Chris Van Wiemeersch Dekko Studios P.O. Box 298 Novi, Michigan 48376 United States T 248 982 6323 F 248 380 6405 http://www.dekkostudios.com/ Hi all, So far I¹ve been able to avoid using Flash but a site I¹m working on uses a few flash elements (like a slideshow). I¹ve been googling around but besides the alistapart article on Flash-Satay I¹ve not been able to find another method of embedding flash in a page so that it still validates. Does anyone with more flash experience have any suggestions? (I'd like the pages to validate to XHTML Strict or Transitional) Thanks in advance, Erwin Heiser ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Flash and valid XHTML
Hi Erwin, I always use a method suggested to me by Bert Doorn which so far has worked fine: object data=opening.swf width=550 height=377 type=application/x-shockwave-flash param name=movie value=opening.swf / param name=quality value=high / param name=bgcolor value=#fff / img src=graphics/openingflashimage.gif alt= / /object you'll note that you can put a graphic there for those who don't want Flash, or indeed you can include a link/prompt to download the player. I like it because it's so simple, AND it validates xhtml strict. Hope this helps . . . Bob McClelland Cornwall (U.K.) Erwin Heiser wrote: Hi all, So far I¹ve been able to avoid using Flash but a site I¹m working on uses a few flash elements (like a slideshow). I¹ve been googling around but besides the alistapart article on Flash-Satay I¹ve not been able to find another method of embedding flash in a page so that it still validates. Does anyone with more flash experience have any suggestions? (I'd like the pages to validate to XHTML Strict or Transitional) Thanks in advance, Erwin Heiser ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Flash and valid XHTML
I have a page containing this code: object type=application/x-shockwave-flash data=images/hmpg/hmpg.swf width=722 height=80 param name=movie value=images/hmpg/hmpg.swf / /object It validates as xhtml 1.0 Transitional. My question, however, is how do I make it accessible? What is the Flash equivalent to the alt attribute? Hope Stewart ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Flash and valid XHTML
Hi All, I have been using flashObject for some time now I have heard that satay does not display the object until the movie is loaded also I have found it to be quite hard to work with, and flash object is soo simple I strated a thread a while ago asking if anyone knew of / could find any draw backs of the flashObject method no body had a bad word to say about it (the thread followed another tangent) www.makepovertyhistory.org - is using flashObject below is an snippet of mark up from the site I have added comments !-- a container with alternative content -- div id=flashcontenta href=#Come to Edinburgh - Click here to find out more./a/div script type=text/javascript // ![CDATA[ // make a new flash object - path to swf, id of container, with of movie, height of movie, version of flash, background colour var fo = new FlashObject(/flash/feature-homepage2.swf, feature, 550, 133, 7, #ff); // a number of options can be added to the object here such as params // wmode can also be added - its really neat fo.write(flashcontent); // ]] /script http://blog.deconcept.com/2005/03/31/proper-flash-embedding-flashobject-best-practices/ for all the dreamweaverers out there you can get a widget plugin for FlashObject what do you peeps think of this method? keen to hear response Sam designer wrote: Hi Erwin, I always use a method suggested to me by Bert Doorn which so far has worked fine: object data=opening.swf width=550 height=377 type=application/x-shockwave-flash param name=movie value=opening.swf / param name=quality value=high / param name=bgcolor value=#fff / img src=graphics/openingflashimage.gif alt= / /object you'll note that you can put a graphic there for those who don't want Flash, or indeed you can include a link/prompt to download the player. I like it because it's so simple, AND it validates xhtml strict. Hope this helps . . . Bob McClelland Cornwall (U.K.) Erwin Heiser wrote: Hi all, So far I¹ve been able to avoid using Flash but a site I¹m working on uses a few flash elements (like a slideshow). I¹ve been googling around but besides the alistapart article on Flash-Satay I¹ve not been able to find another method of embedding flash in a page so that it still validates. Does anyone with more flash experience have any suggestions? (I'd like the pages to validate to XHTML Strict or Transitional) Thanks in advance, Erwin Heiser ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Flash and valid XHTML
Hi Hope, if browser doens't have plug-ing, you can insert a tag image with alt attribute that describe use of flash in your site. If you are interested to create an accessibile flash site, this is for you http://www.macromedia.com/resources/accessibility/ cheers Daniele http://www.gizax.it/ Gizax Studios, Internet Accessibility - Original Message - From: Hope Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Web Standards Group wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 1:53 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Flash and valid XHTML I have a page containing this code: object type=application/x-shockwave-flash data=images/hmpg/hmpg.swf width=722 height=80 param name=movie value=images/hmpg/hmpg.swf / /object It validates as xhtml 1.0 Transitional. My question, however, is how do I make it accessible? What is the Flash equivalent to the alt attribute? Hope Stewart ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Flash and valid XHTML
Thanks Daniele. I'll give it a go. On 30/6/05 3:19 PM, INFOPRE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if browser doens't have plug-ing, you can insert a tag image with alt attribute that describe use of flash in your site. If you are interested to create an accessibile flash site, this is for you http://www.macromedia.com/resources/accessibility/ cheers Daniele http://www.gizax.it/ Gizax Studios, Internet Accessibility ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
