Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?

2008-10-20 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis

Webb, KerryA wrote:

Johan Douma wrote:


Flash is on 99.9% of the computers.


Which is the sort of claim made often by Adobe.

But, if we're talking about a recent version of Flash on 99.9% of
computers, that's a different matter.


I think that's somewhat unfair. Adobe go out of their way to provide a 
breakdown of the headline figure:


http://www.adobe.com/products/player_census/flashplayer/

http://www.adobe.com/products/player_census/flashplayer/version_penetration.html

(Also it's 99% not 99.9% - by Adobe's own figures 1 in 100 people don't 
have Flash, which is a not insignificant number if you're talking about, 
say, boosting sales from a website.)


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Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?

2008-10-20 Thread Michael MD




Kerry I agree with you there - while 99% of computers online may have
access
to flash 2 or 3 some higher (of course) I think that we would be extremely
hard pressed to find a majority of online machines with flash above flash
8.
Myself, a web developer, only has flash 8 on my machine (I don't code in
flash, so no real need to upgrade it any further at this stage...)


I think flash players as old as 2 or 3 would be pretty rare nowdays, however
with flash lite on quite a lot of mobile phones (capabilities something like
flash 7 I think) and some linux distros coming with open source alternative
flash players (capabilities like flash 7 or 8 also) I tend to avoid using
anything that needs flash player 9 where possible and so far I haven't found
anything I needed to do that really needed actionscript 3  
...widgets pulling down xml, etc can be made to work fine using actionscript
2 and my favourite actionscript compiler (which btw was my first rather late
introduction to the flash world) - mtasc ( http://www.mtasc.org/ ) is for
actionscript 2.





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Re: SPAM-MED: Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?

2008-10-20 Thread Rick Lecoat

On 20 Oct 2008, at 10:26, kevin mcmonagle wrote:


micheal md wrote:
I tend to avoid using anything that needs flash player 9 where  
possible and so far I haven't found

anything I needed to do that really needed actionscript 3  

How about flv?


IIRC flv came in with Flash 8

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Re: SPAM-MED: Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?

2008-10-20 Thread kevin mcmonagle

micheal md wrote:
I tend to avoid using anything that needs flash player 9 where 
possible and so far I haven't found

anything I needed to do that really needed actionscript 3  

How about flv?

-best
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RE: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?

2008-10-19 Thread Webb, KerryA
Johan Douma wrote:

 Flash is on 99.9% of the computers.

Which is the sort of claim made often by Adobe.

But, if we're talking about a recent version of Flash on 99.9% of
computers, that's a different matter.

Kerry 
  
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RE: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?

2008-10-19 Thread David Fuller :: magickweb
Kerry I agree with you there - while 99% of computers online may have access
to flash 2 or 3 some higher (of course) I think that we would be extremely
hard pressed to find a majority of online machines with flash above flash 8.
Myself, a web developer, only has flash 8 on my machine (I don't code in
flash, so no real need to upgrade it any further at this stage...)

A good point raised :)

David Fuller
Developer
magickweb 
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Subject: RE: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?

Johan Douma wrote:

 Flash is on 99.9% of the computers.

Which is the sort of claim made often by Adobe.

But, if we're talking about a recent version of Flash on 99.9% of
computers, that's a different matter.

Kerry 
  
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RE: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?

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Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?

2008-10-19 Thread Johan Douma
True indeed,
I'd never really checked on my google analytics what the values actually
were.
Here we go:

95.4% using flash 9
1.8% using 8
0.7% using 7
1.1% using with no flash

The rest with 6 and some other beta/lite versions

Flash 10 wasn't even in the list though. Not yet...

I'm not sure how reliable Google Analytics is when it comes to lash
versions. But looks like 99% of the users do have flash on their machines,
which is a lot more than with the plugins for Quicktime or Windows Media...

These results are from a website that's not targetting web savvy people but
people looking for a holidays overseas, tourists basically... it is getting
about 100 visits a day.

But on the other side, I'm not sure how many people use add ons like no
flash or no script and there's no way to find out.

 Cheers,
Johan





2008/10/20 David Fuller :: magickweb [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Kerry I agree with you there - while 99% of computers online may have
 access
 to flash 2 or 3 some higher (of course) I think that we would be extremely
 hard pressed to find a majority of online machines with flash above flash
 8.
 Myself, a web developer, only has flash 8 on my machine (I don't code in
 flash, so no real need to upgrade it any further at this stage...)

 A good point raised :)

 David Fuller
 Developer
 magickweb
 Web:http://www.magick.com.au
 Tel:   0434 728 267
 Email:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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 Subject: RE: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?

 Johan Douma wrote:

  Flash is on 99.9% of the computers.

 Which is the sort of claim made often by Adobe.

 But, if we're talking about a recent version of Flash on 99.9% of
 computers, that's a different matter.

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Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?

2008-10-19 Thread Breton Slivka
 But on the other side, I'm not sure how many people use add ons like no
 flash or no script and there's no way to find out.

  Cheers,
 Johan


Yes, there IS a way to find out: Compare server logs with which people
actually executed the analytics script. I just haven't seen any
implementations of this strategy.


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Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?

2008-10-19 Thread Breton Slivka
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 1:25 PM, Breton Slivka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 But on the other side, I'm not sure how many people use add ons like no
 flash or no script and there's no way to find out.

  Cheers,
 Johan


 Yes, there IS a way to find out: Compare server logs with which people
 actually executed the analytics script. I just haven't seen any
 implementations of this strategy.


Just to contibute a bit to the discussion, I've seen figures along the
5% range on that particular statistic.  (people with javascript
disabled)


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Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?

2008-10-18 Thread Andrew Brown

Flex is terribly brittle and has very strange conventions.
I don't see flash replacing javascript.

Maybe will all be using flash browsers one day.

On 18-Oct-08, at 11:01 AM, Simon Josephson wrote:


I don't know of the appropriateness here (etiquette) being a newbie...

though Adobe's agenda is to make Flash an entire environment within  
which to work... AKA - Air


It is very neat and you may find of interest the Flex developer  
website found here... http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flex/


Adobe is hoping it becomes ubiquitous to the web


Simon

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On 17/10/2008, at 12:27 AM, Charles Ling wrote:


Hi Guys/Gals,

I would like to get some opinion from you all, that would Flash 10  
or ++ will replace JavaScript in the future?
According to this blog : http://ajaxian.com/archives/flash-10-and-the-bad-news-for-javascript-interaction 
.


I found that alot of media website started to replace Javascript to  
play their audio/video and of course Flash required to be install  
as third
party plugin and had to be updated (which is annoying). Did you  
guys/gals use alot of flash in your past projects that you were  
working with?


Cheers,
Charles.

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Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?

2008-10-18 Thread Simon Josephson

I don't know of the appropriateness here (etiquette) being a newbie...

though Adobe's agenda is to make Flash an entire environment within  
which to work... AKA - Air


It is very neat and you may find of interest the Flex developer  
website found here... http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flex/


Adobe is hoping it becomes ubiquitous to the web


Simon

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On 17/10/2008, at 12:27 AM, Charles Ling wrote:


Hi Guys/Gals,

I would like to get some opinion from you all, that would Flash 10  
or ++ will replace JavaScript in the future?
According to this blog : http://ajaxian.com/archives/flash-10-and-the-bad-news-for-javascript-interaction 
.


I found that alot of media website started to replace Javascript to  
play their audio/video and of course Flash required to be install as  
third
party plugin and had to be updated (which is annoying). Did you guys/ 
gals use alot of flash in your past projects that you were working  
with?


Cheers,
Charles.

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Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?

2008-10-18 Thread David Hucklesby
 On 17/10/2008, at 12:27 AM, Charles Ling wrote:

 Hi Guys/Gals,

 I would like to get some opinion from you all, that would Flash 10 or ++ 
 will replace
 JavaScript in the future? According to this blog : 
 http://ajaxian.com/archives/flash-
 10-and-the-bad-news-for-javascript-interaction .


On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 02:01:07 +1100, Simon Josephson replied:

 I don't know of the appropriateness here (etiquette) being a newbie...

 though Adobe's agenda is to make Flash an entire environment within which to 
 work...
 AKA - Air
[...]

 Adobe is hoping it becomes ubiquitous to the web


It's my understanding that Adobe's AIR brings web technology to desktop
applications, rather than extending the Web itself. And, no, AIR
does not *require* the use of Flash. You can use AJAX for the client-
server interaction instead, if you wish.

Others already mentioned that the article you cited concerns the use
of Flash to get around some limitations of JavaScript.

To respond to the original question - no, I do not believe that
Flash will replace JavaScript. They are two very different technologies,
each with a place in Web design. I do think that Flash will become
less relevant when more browsers support HTML 5 and CSS 3.

Meanwhile, I am avoiding Flash for two reasons. First, I found it
beyond my abilities to understand how to make Flash fully accessible.
Second, Flash is not universally available. Smart phones like iPhone
don't currently support Flash, and Flash blockers are very popular.

This is a personal choice, of course.

Cordially,
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Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?

2008-10-17 Thread Michael MD

I think you misunderstood the article big-time. It's saying that Flash
10 is planned to not support DHTML scripting access, which means you
won't be able to control a flash video via Javascript. That just means
that a lot of interfaces where Flash is *not* currently sufficient


they introduce a very useful feature then they take it away again in the 
next version!!


annoying!




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Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?

2008-10-17 Thread Michael MD



Read the story on that page carefully. What has happened is that flash
10 has increased restrictions over what features within the flash
plugin can be invoked via javascript. This only applies to one
specific feature (file uploads), and effects virtually no other flash
features. It does not effect javascript's abilities in general, only
the abilities of javascript to use flash in certain ways. This point
will largely become moot once video/audio/3d/canvas becomes widespread
and built into browsers, and flash as a result becomes less relevant-
Particularly on low powered platforms like the iPhone, and Android
which do not have flash- or the wii which only has an older and
underpowered version of flash.


I forgot that the Wii has a browser! (I think I was surprised to see it come 
up in the server logs here a while back)


Flash Lite maybe?
... (quite a lot of mobile phones have some version of Flash Lite - which 
is I think compatable with

flash versions up to 7 - so no AS3/flex/etc ... but AS2 is ok)

linux desktop distros often come with non-Adobe open source flash players 
which also don't do some of the newer features introduced recent versions of 
Adobe flash player.


(Firefox 3 on my ubuntu box was like this until I manually downloaded Adobe 
flash player 9 and compiled it from the shell prompt)



For me its basically horses for courses, comparing javascript and 
actionscript is like comparing apples and oranges, I don't see either as a 
replacement for the other. .. not yet anyway... ...





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Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?

2008-10-17 Thread Gareth Senior
 
Don¹t hold your breath for ogg support in all browsers.
I imagine microsoft will be more interested in pushing silverlight than
flash or ogg.
Audio and video is a key front in the next generation of browser wars, so it
won¹t be that simple.

As you note, Flash offers some useful stuff that¹s not yet core browser
functionality. I imagine it will continue to innovate and push browser
vendors.

On 17/10/2008 06:38, Johan Douma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I don't see flash becoming a dominant technology in the future. It's definitly
 not going to replace javascript.
 It wouldn't actually surprise me if it is going to die off really slowly...
 Only to be used in really specific cases.
 
 Flash gets used a lot today because the flash video codec is good and because
 it's the easiest way to integrate some video into the browser without needed
 any plugins that might not be on everybody's computer. Flash is on 99.9% of
 the computers.
 
 Now that might change as well in the next 3 or 4 years as the video and audio
 tag are going to be more and more available to easily integrate video and
 audio files into a page.
 We would still need plugins anyway, but browser could at least integrate open
 sources plugins, like ogg... etc...
 I only use flash for multiple file uploads, and some small animations in the
 page itself.
 
 Ow and damn flash 10 has broken my file uploader, I'll have to work on that.
 
 
 
 
 Cheers, 
 Johan Douma
 
 
 2008/10/16 Breton Slivka [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Read the story on that page carefully. What has happened is that flash
 10 has increased restrictions over what features within the flash
 plugin can be invoked via javascript. This only applies to one
 specific feature (file uploads), and effects virtually no other flash
 features. It does not effect javascript's abilities in general, only
 the abilities of javascript to use flash in certain ways. This point
 will largely become moot once video/audio/3d/canvas becomes widespread
 and built into browsers, and flash as a result becomes less relevant-
 Particularly on low powered platforms like the iPhone, and Android
 which do not have flash- or the wii which only has an older and
 underpowered version of flash.
 
 So in my opinion, to the contrary- This news story is reporting on
 decreased ability of the flash plugin to play well with javascript- It
 will not make flash replace javascript- Except as a workaround in the
 specific case of file uploads.
 
 
 On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 12:27 AM, Charles Ling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi Guys/Gals,
 
  I would like to get some opinion from you all, that would Flash 10 or ++
  will replace JavaScript in the future?
  According to this blog :
  
 http://ajaxian.com/archives/flash-10-and-the-bad-news-for-javascript-interac
 tion.
 
  I found that alot of media website started to replace Javascript to play
  their audio/video and of course Flash required to be install as third
  party plugin and had to be updated (which is annoying). Did you guys/gals
  use alot of flash in your past projects that you were working with?
 
  Cheers,
  Charles.
 
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Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?

2008-10-16 Thread Christian Montoya
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 9:27 AM, Charles Ling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Guys/Gals,

 I would like to get some opinion from you all, that would Flash 10 or ++
 will replace JavaScript in the future?
 According to this blog :
 http://ajaxian.com/archives/flash-10-and-the-bad-news-for-javascript-interaction.

 I found that alot of media website started to replace Javascript to play
 their audio/video and of course Flash required to be install as third
 party plugin and had to be updated (which is annoying). Did you guys/gals
 use alot of flash in your past projects that you were working with?

I think you misunderstood the article big-time. It's saying that Flash
10 is planned to not support DHTML scripting access, which means you
won't be able to control a flash video via Javascript. That just means
that a lot of interfaces where Flash is *not* currently sufficient
(such as Yahoo Video) or where Flash is used as a workaround to assist
Javascript/HTML (such as batch uploading in Wordpress) will no longer
be possible, at which point people will need to find a way to make
these things work with Javascript alone, or convince Adobe to change
their minds about this.

As for whether or not Javascript is ever going away, try using web
apps like Gmail or Facebook without Javascript and see what you lose.
The reason why Javascript has gained so much traction in the past few
years is because you can do a heck of a lot with it before you have to
load up a third-party plugin.


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Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?

2008-10-16 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis

Charles Ling wrote:
I would like to get some opinion from you all, that would Flash 10 or ++ 
will replace JavaScript in the future?
According to this blog : 
http://ajaxian.com/archives/flash-10-and-the-bad-news-for-javascript-interaction.


I'm not entirely sure Christian's right that Flash 10 Security breaks 
all JS-triggering of Flash functionality rather than just preventing it 
triggering the File dialog. (Given how important this is for 
accessibility, I rather hope not!)


I found that alot of media website started to replace Javascript to play 
their audio/video and of course Flash required to be install as third

party plugin and had to be updated (which is annoying).


Alternative possibility: over the next decade (the lifetime of a typical 
IE version), this use-case for Flash will disappear, except as fallback 
for native HTML video and audio elements:


http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#video

http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#audio

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Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?

2008-10-16 Thread Breton Slivka
Read the story on that page carefully. What has happened is that flash
10 has increased restrictions over what features within the flash
plugin can be invoked via javascript. This only applies to one
specific feature (file uploads), and effects virtually no other flash
features. It does not effect javascript's abilities in general, only
the abilities of javascript to use flash in certain ways. This point
will largely become moot once video/audio/3d/canvas becomes widespread
and built into browsers, and flash as a result becomes less relevant-
Particularly on low powered platforms like the iPhone, and Android
which do not have flash- or the wii which only has an older and
underpowered version of flash.

So in my opinion, to the contrary- This news story is reporting on
decreased ability of the flash plugin to play well with javascript- It
will not make flash replace javascript- Except as a workaround in the
specific case of file uploads.


On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 12:27 AM, Charles Ling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Guys/Gals,

 I would like to get some opinion from you all, that would Flash 10 or ++
 will replace JavaScript in the future?
 According to this blog :
 http://ajaxian.com/archives/flash-10-and-the-bad-news-for-javascript-interaction.

 I found that alot of media website started to replace Javascript to play
 their audio/video and of course Flash required to be install as third
 party plugin and had to be updated (which is annoying). Did you guys/gals
 use alot of flash in your past projects that you were working with?

 Cheers,
 Charles.

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Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?

2008-10-16 Thread Johan Douma
I don't see flash becoming a dominant technology in the future. It's
definitly not going to replace javascript.
It wouldn't actually surprise me if it is going to die off really slowly...
Only to be used in really specific cases.

Flash gets used a lot today because the flash video codec is good and
because it's the easiest way to integrate some video into the browser
without needed any plugins that might not be on everybody's computer. Flash
is on 99.9% of the computers.

Now that might change as well in the next 3 or 4 years as the video and
audio tag are going to be more and more available to easily integrate video
and audio files into a page.
We would still need plugins anyway, but browser could at least integrate
open sources plugins, like ogg... etc...
I only use flash for multiple file uploads, and some small animations in the
page itself.

Ow and damn flash 10 has broken my file uploader, I'll have to work on that.





Cheers,
Johan Douma


2008/10/16 Breton Slivka [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Read the story on that page carefully. What has happened is that flash
 10 has increased restrictions over what features within the flash
 plugin can be invoked via javascript. This only applies to one
 specific feature (file uploads), and effects virtually no other flash
 features. It does not effect javascript's abilities in general, only
 the abilities of javascript to use flash in certain ways. This point
 will largely become moot once video/audio/3d/canvas becomes widespread
 and built into browsers, and flash as a result becomes less relevant-
 Particularly on low powered platforms like the iPhone, and Android
 which do not have flash- or the wii which only has an older and
 underpowered version of flash.

 So in my opinion, to the contrary- This news story is reporting on
 decreased ability of the flash plugin to play well with javascript- It
 will not make flash replace javascript- Except as a workaround in the
 specific case of file uploads.


 On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 12:27 AM, Charles Ling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  Hi Guys/Gals,
 
  I would like to get some opinion from you all, that would Flash 10 or ++
  will replace JavaScript in the future?
  According to this blog :
 
 http://ajaxian.com/archives/flash-10-and-the-bad-news-for-javascript-interaction
 .
 
  I found that alot of media website started to replace Javascript to play
  their audio/video and of course Flash required to be install as third
  party plugin and had to be updated (which is annoying). Did you guys/gals
  use alot of flash in your past projects that you were working with?
 
  Cheers,
  Charles.
 
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