Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?
Webb, KerryA wrote: Johan Douma wrote: Flash is on 99.9% of the computers. Which is the sort of claim made often by Adobe. But, if we're talking about a recent version of Flash on 99.9% of computers, that's a different matter. I think that's somewhat unfair. Adobe go out of their way to provide a breakdown of the headline figure: http://www.adobe.com/products/player_census/flashplayer/ http://www.adobe.com/products/player_census/flashplayer/version_penetration.html (Also it's 99% not 99.9% - by Adobe's own figures 1 in 100 people don't have Flash, which is a not insignificant number if you're talking about, say, boosting sales from a website.) -- Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?
Kerry I agree with you there - while 99% of computers online may have access to flash 2 or 3 some higher (of course) I think that we would be extremely hard pressed to find a majority of online machines with flash above flash 8. Myself, a web developer, only has flash 8 on my machine (I don't code in flash, so no real need to upgrade it any further at this stage...) I think flash players as old as 2 or 3 would be pretty rare nowdays, however with flash lite on quite a lot of mobile phones (capabilities something like flash 7 I think) and some linux distros coming with open source alternative flash players (capabilities like flash 7 or 8 also) I tend to avoid using anything that needs flash player 9 where possible and so far I haven't found anything I needed to do that really needed actionscript 3 ...widgets pulling down xml, etc can be made to work fine using actionscript 2 and my favourite actionscript compiler (which btw was my first rather late introduction to the flash world) - mtasc ( http://www.mtasc.org/ ) is for actionscript 2. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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On 20 Oct 2008, at 10:26, kevin mcmonagle wrote: micheal md wrote: I tend to avoid using anything that needs flash player 9 where possible and so far I haven't found anything I needed to do that really needed actionscript 3 How about flv? IIRC flv came in with Flash 8 -- Rick Lecoat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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micheal md wrote: I tend to avoid using anything that needs flash player 9 where possible and so far I haven't found anything I needed to do that really needed actionscript 3 How about flv? -best kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?
Johan Douma wrote: Flash is on 99.9% of the computers. Which is the sort of claim made often by Adobe. But, if we're talking about a recent version of Flash on 99.9% of computers, that's a different matter. Kerry --- This email, and any attachments, may be confidential and also privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender and delete all copies of this transmission along with any attachments immediately. You should not copy or use it for any purpose, nor disclose its contents to any other person. --- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?
Kerry I agree with you there - while 99% of computers online may have access to flash 2 or 3 some higher (of course) I think that we would be extremely hard pressed to find a majority of online machines with flash above flash 8. Myself, a web developer, only has flash 8 on my machine (I don't code in flash, so no real need to upgrade it any further at this stage...) A good point raised :) David Fuller Developer magickweb Web:http://www.magick.com.au Tel: 0434 728 267 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Webb, KerryA Sent: Monday, 20 October 2008 8:09 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future? Johan Douma wrote: Flash is on 99.9% of the computers. Which is the sort of claim made often by Adobe. But, if we're talking about a recent version of Flash on 99.9% of computers, that's a different matter. Kerry --- This email, and any attachments, may be confidential and also privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender and delete all copies of this transmission along with any attachments immediately. You should not copy or use it for any purpose, nor disclose its contents to any other person. --- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?
True indeed, I'd never really checked on my google analytics what the values actually were. Here we go: 95.4% using flash 9 1.8% using 8 0.7% using 7 1.1% using with no flash The rest with 6 and some other beta/lite versions Flash 10 wasn't even in the list though. Not yet... I'm not sure how reliable Google Analytics is when it comes to lash versions. But looks like 99% of the users do have flash on their machines, which is a lot more than with the plugins for Quicktime or Windows Media... These results are from a website that's not targetting web savvy people but people looking for a holidays overseas, tourists basically... it is getting about 100 visits a day. But on the other side, I'm not sure how many people use add ons like no flash or no script and there's no way to find out. Cheers, Johan 2008/10/20 David Fuller :: magickweb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kerry I agree with you there - while 99% of computers online may have access to flash 2 or 3 some higher (of course) I think that we would be extremely hard pressed to find a majority of online machines with flash above flash 8. Myself, a web developer, only has flash 8 on my machine (I don't code in flash, so no real need to upgrade it any further at this stage...) A good point raised :) David Fuller Developer magickweb Web:http://www.magick.com.au Tel: 0434 728 267 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Webb, KerryA Sent: Monday, 20 October 2008 8:09 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future? Johan Douma wrote: Flash is on 99.9% of the computers. Which is the sort of claim made often by Adobe. But, if we're talking about a recent version of Flash on 99.9% of computers, that's a different matter. Kerry --- This email, and any attachments, may be confidential and also privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender and delete all copies of this transmission along with any attachments immediately. You should not copy or use it for any purpose, nor disclose its contents to any other person. --- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?
But on the other side, I'm not sure how many people use add ons like no flash or no script and there's no way to find out. Cheers, Johan Yes, there IS a way to find out: Compare server logs with which people actually executed the analytics script. I just haven't seen any implementations of this strategy. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 1:25 PM, Breton Slivka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But on the other side, I'm not sure how many people use add ons like no flash or no script and there's no way to find out. Cheers, Johan Yes, there IS a way to find out: Compare server logs with which people actually executed the analytics script. I just haven't seen any implementations of this strategy. Just to contibute a bit to the discussion, I've seen figures along the 5% range on that particular statistic. (people with javascript disabled) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?
Flex is terribly brittle and has very strange conventions. I don't see flash replacing javascript. Maybe will all be using flash browsers one day. On 18-Oct-08, at 11:01 AM, Simon Josephson wrote: I don't know of the appropriateness here (etiquette) being a newbie... though Adobe's agenda is to make Flash an entire environment within which to work... AKA - Air It is very neat and you may find of interest the Flex developer website found here... http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flex/ Adobe is hoping it becomes ubiquitous to the web Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 17/10/2008, at 12:27 AM, Charles Ling wrote: Hi Guys/Gals, I would like to get some opinion from you all, that would Flash 10 or ++ will replace JavaScript in the future? According to this blog : http://ajaxian.com/archives/flash-10-and-the-bad-news-for-javascript-interaction . I found that alot of media website started to replace Javascript to play their audio/video and of course Flash required to be install as third party plugin and had to be updated (which is annoying). Did you guys/gals use alot of flash in your past projects that you were working with? Cheers, Charles. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?
I don't know of the appropriateness here (etiquette) being a newbie... though Adobe's agenda is to make Flash an entire environment within which to work... AKA - Air It is very neat and you may find of interest the Flex developer website found here... http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flex/ Adobe is hoping it becomes ubiquitous to the web Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 17/10/2008, at 12:27 AM, Charles Ling wrote: Hi Guys/Gals, I would like to get some opinion from you all, that would Flash 10 or ++ will replace JavaScript in the future? According to this blog : http://ajaxian.com/archives/flash-10-and-the-bad-news-for-javascript-interaction . I found that alot of media website started to replace Javascript to play their audio/video and of course Flash required to be install as third party plugin and had to be updated (which is annoying). Did you guys/ gals use alot of flash in your past projects that you were working with? Cheers, Charles. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?
On 17/10/2008, at 12:27 AM, Charles Ling wrote: Hi Guys/Gals, I would like to get some opinion from you all, that would Flash 10 or ++ will replace JavaScript in the future? According to this blog : http://ajaxian.com/archives/flash- 10-and-the-bad-news-for-javascript-interaction . On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 02:01:07 +1100, Simon Josephson replied: I don't know of the appropriateness here (etiquette) being a newbie... though Adobe's agenda is to make Flash an entire environment within which to work... AKA - Air [...] Adobe is hoping it becomes ubiquitous to the web It's my understanding that Adobe's AIR brings web technology to desktop applications, rather than extending the Web itself. And, no, AIR does not *require* the use of Flash. You can use AJAX for the client- server interaction instead, if you wish. Others already mentioned that the article you cited concerns the use of Flash to get around some limitations of JavaScript. To respond to the original question - no, I do not believe that Flash will replace JavaScript. They are two very different technologies, each with a place in Web design. I do think that Flash will become less relevant when more browsers support HTML 5 and CSS 3. Meanwhile, I am avoiding Flash for two reasons. First, I found it beyond my abilities to understand how to make Flash fully accessible. Second, Flash is not universally available. Smart phones like iPhone don't currently support Flash, and Flash blockers are very popular. This is a personal choice, of course. Cordially, David -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?
I think you misunderstood the article big-time. It's saying that Flash 10 is planned to not support DHTML scripting access, which means you won't be able to control a flash video via Javascript. That just means that a lot of interfaces where Flash is *not* currently sufficient they introduce a very useful feature then they take it away again in the next version!! annoying! *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?
Read the story on that page carefully. What has happened is that flash 10 has increased restrictions over what features within the flash plugin can be invoked via javascript. This only applies to one specific feature (file uploads), and effects virtually no other flash features. It does not effect javascript's abilities in general, only the abilities of javascript to use flash in certain ways. This point will largely become moot once video/audio/3d/canvas becomes widespread and built into browsers, and flash as a result becomes less relevant- Particularly on low powered platforms like the iPhone, and Android which do not have flash- or the wii which only has an older and underpowered version of flash. I forgot that the Wii has a browser! (I think I was surprised to see it come up in the server logs here a while back) Flash Lite maybe? ... (quite a lot of mobile phones have some version of Flash Lite - which is I think compatable with flash versions up to 7 - so no AS3/flex/etc ... but AS2 is ok) linux desktop distros often come with non-Adobe open source flash players which also don't do some of the newer features introduced recent versions of Adobe flash player. (Firefox 3 on my ubuntu box was like this until I manually downloaded Adobe flash player 9 and compiled it from the shell prompt) For me its basically horses for courses, comparing javascript and actionscript is like comparing apples and oranges, I don't see either as a replacement for the other. .. not yet anyway... ... *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?
Don¹t hold your breath for ogg support in all browsers. I imagine microsoft will be more interested in pushing silverlight than flash or ogg. Audio and video is a key front in the next generation of browser wars, so it won¹t be that simple. As you note, Flash offers some useful stuff that¹s not yet core browser functionality. I imagine it will continue to innovate and push browser vendors. On 17/10/2008 06:38, Johan Douma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't see flash becoming a dominant technology in the future. It's definitly not going to replace javascript. It wouldn't actually surprise me if it is going to die off really slowly... Only to be used in really specific cases. Flash gets used a lot today because the flash video codec is good and because it's the easiest way to integrate some video into the browser without needed any plugins that might not be on everybody's computer. Flash is on 99.9% of the computers. Now that might change as well in the next 3 or 4 years as the video and audio tag are going to be more and more available to easily integrate video and audio files into a page. We would still need plugins anyway, but browser could at least integrate open sources plugins, like ogg... etc... I only use flash for multiple file uploads, and some small animations in the page itself. Ow and damn flash 10 has broken my file uploader, I'll have to work on that. Cheers, Johan Douma 2008/10/16 Breton Slivka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Read the story on that page carefully. What has happened is that flash 10 has increased restrictions over what features within the flash plugin can be invoked via javascript. This only applies to one specific feature (file uploads), and effects virtually no other flash features. It does not effect javascript's abilities in general, only the abilities of javascript to use flash in certain ways. This point will largely become moot once video/audio/3d/canvas becomes widespread and built into browsers, and flash as a result becomes less relevant- Particularly on low powered platforms like the iPhone, and Android which do not have flash- or the wii which only has an older and underpowered version of flash. So in my opinion, to the contrary- This news story is reporting on decreased ability of the flash plugin to play well with javascript- It will not make flash replace javascript- Except as a workaround in the specific case of file uploads. On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 12:27 AM, Charles Ling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys/Gals, I would like to get some opinion from you all, that would Flash 10 or ++ will replace JavaScript in the future? According to this blog : http://ajaxian.com/archives/flash-10-and-the-bad-news-for-javascript-interac tion. I found that alot of media website started to replace Javascript to play their audio/video and of course Flash required to be install as third party plugin and had to be updated (which is annoying). Did you guys/gals use alot of flash in your past projects that you were working with? Cheers, Charles. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** All correspondence, attachments and agreements remain strictly subject to fully executed contract. (c) GCap Media plc 2008. All rights remain reserved. This e-mail (and any attachments) contains information which may be confidential, subject to intellectual property protection and may be legally privileged and protected from disclosure and unauthorised use. It is intended solely for the use of the individual(s) or entity to whom it is addressed and others specifically authorised to receive it. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail or any parts of it please telephone 020 7054 8000 immediately upon receipt. No other person is authorised to copy, adapt, forward, disclose, distribute or retain this e-mail in any form without prior specific permission in writing from an authorised representative of GCap Media plc. We will not accept liability for any claims arising as a result of the use of the internet to transmit information by or to GCap Media plc. GCap
Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 9:27 AM, Charles Ling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys/Gals, I would like to get some opinion from you all, that would Flash 10 or ++ will replace JavaScript in the future? According to this blog : http://ajaxian.com/archives/flash-10-and-the-bad-news-for-javascript-interaction. I found that alot of media website started to replace Javascript to play their audio/video and of course Flash required to be install as third party plugin and had to be updated (which is annoying). Did you guys/gals use alot of flash in your past projects that you were working with? I think you misunderstood the article big-time. It's saying that Flash 10 is planned to not support DHTML scripting access, which means you won't be able to control a flash video via Javascript. That just means that a lot of interfaces where Flash is *not* currently sufficient (such as Yahoo Video) or where Flash is used as a workaround to assist Javascript/HTML (such as batch uploading in Wordpress) will no longer be possible, at which point people will need to find a way to make these things work with Javascript alone, or convince Adobe to change their minds about this. As for whether or not Javascript is ever going away, try using web apps like Gmail or Facebook without Javascript and see what you lose. The reason why Javascript has gained so much traction in the past few years is because you can do a heck of a lot with it before you have to load up a third-party plugin. -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?
Charles Ling wrote: I would like to get some opinion from you all, that would Flash 10 or ++ will replace JavaScript in the future? According to this blog : http://ajaxian.com/archives/flash-10-and-the-bad-news-for-javascript-interaction. I'm not entirely sure Christian's right that Flash 10 Security breaks all JS-triggering of Flash functionality rather than just preventing it triggering the File dialog. (Given how important this is for accessibility, I rather hope not!) I found that alot of media website started to replace Javascript to play their audio/video and of course Flash required to be install as third party plugin and had to be updated (which is annoying). Alternative possibility: over the next decade (the lifetime of a typical IE version), this use-case for Flash will disappear, except as fallback for native HTML video and audio elements: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#video http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#audio -- Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?
Read the story on that page carefully. What has happened is that flash 10 has increased restrictions over what features within the flash plugin can be invoked via javascript. This only applies to one specific feature (file uploads), and effects virtually no other flash features. It does not effect javascript's abilities in general, only the abilities of javascript to use flash in certain ways. This point will largely become moot once video/audio/3d/canvas becomes widespread and built into browsers, and flash as a result becomes less relevant- Particularly on low powered platforms like the iPhone, and Android which do not have flash- or the wii which only has an older and underpowered version of flash. So in my opinion, to the contrary- This news story is reporting on decreased ability of the flash plugin to play well with javascript- It will not make flash replace javascript- Except as a workaround in the specific case of file uploads. On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 12:27 AM, Charles Ling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys/Gals, I would like to get some opinion from you all, that would Flash 10 or ++ will replace JavaScript in the future? According to this blog : http://ajaxian.com/archives/flash-10-and-the-bad-news-for-javascript-interaction. I found that alot of media website started to replace Javascript to play their audio/video and of course Flash required to be install as third party plugin and had to be updated (which is annoying). Did you guys/gals use alot of flash in your past projects that you were working with? Cheers, Charles. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?
I don't see flash becoming a dominant technology in the future. It's definitly not going to replace javascript. It wouldn't actually surprise me if it is going to die off really slowly... Only to be used in really specific cases. Flash gets used a lot today because the flash video codec is good and because it's the easiest way to integrate some video into the browser without needed any plugins that might not be on everybody's computer. Flash is on 99.9% of the computers. Now that might change as well in the next 3 or 4 years as the video and audio tag are going to be more and more available to easily integrate video and audio files into a page. We would still need plugins anyway, but browser could at least integrate open sources plugins, like ogg... etc... I only use flash for multiple file uploads, and some small animations in the page itself. Ow and damn flash 10 has broken my file uploader, I'll have to work on that. Cheers, Johan Douma 2008/10/16 Breton Slivka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Read the story on that page carefully. What has happened is that flash 10 has increased restrictions over what features within the flash plugin can be invoked via javascript. This only applies to one specific feature (file uploads), and effects virtually no other flash features. It does not effect javascript's abilities in general, only the abilities of javascript to use flash in certain ways. This point will largely become moot once video/audio/3d/canvas becomes widespread and built into browsers, and flash as a result becomes less relevant- Particularly on low powered platforms like the iPhone, and Android which do not have flash- or the wii which only has an older and underpowered version of flash. So in my opinion, to the contrary- This news story is reporting on decreased ability of the flash plugin to play well with javascript- It will not make flash replace javascript- Except as a workaround in the specific case of file uploads. On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 12:27 AM, Charles Ling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys/Gals, I would like to get some opinion from you all, that would Flash 10 or ++ will replace JavaScript in the future? According to this blog : http://ajaxian.com/archives/flash-10-and-the-bad-news-for-javascript-interaction . I found that alot of media website started to replace Javascript to play their audio/video and of course Flash required to be install as third party plugin and had to be updated (which is annoying). Did you guys/gals use alot of flash in your past projects that you were working with? Cheers, Charles. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
