Re: [WSG] Oracle/Peoplesoft and accessibility/standard code

2005-12-04 Thread heretic
Hi there,

 - Does anyone know of an accessible PeopleSoft built application?

I haven't heard of one which is what I would call accessible :)

 - Has the issue of PeopleSoft generated code been an issue or is the
 responsibility that of the company using it?

The PS code is all tables and bad markup - so, it's the code, not the client.

 - Does anyone know if, besides white papers, Oracle/PeopleSoft are
 actually working on standard code that is accessible?

Can't say for sure. PS claim their current product is accessible, so
it's very difficult to evaluate any claim they make :) I have heard
hope for better in Fusion, since the current code base would just
take too long to overhaul.

 - How customizable is the HTML PeopleSoft spits out?

You can customise bits and pieces, but overall it's not customisable.
PS would say otherwise; and you can probably customise it with a vast
injection of time and money; but in a practical sense with a
real-world budget no, it's not customisable. You might be able to
change a few colours and a logo.

You can probably tell I'm not a fan of PS :)

cheers,

h

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Re: [WSG] Oracle/Peoplesoft and accessibility/standard code

2005-12-02 Thread James Ellis
Hi

You could try running it through HTML tidy... or maybe you could write your own frontend to their backend?

Do you have some example pages?

Cheers
JamesOn 12/3/05, Jesse Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,I am getting the total run around here from developers onOracle/Peoplesoft and I was hoping someone on this list could help. Mycouple questions:- Does anyone know of an accessible PeopleSoft built application?
- Has the issue of PeopleSoft generated code been an issue or is theresponsibility that of the company using it?- Does anyone know if, besides white papers, Oracle/PeopleSoft areactually working on standard code that is accessible?
- How customizable is the HTML PeopleSoft spits out?Thanks ahead of time...Jesse--Jesse RodgersManager, Web CommunicationsCommunications and Public AffairsUniversity of Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
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Re: [WSG] Oracle/Peoplesoft and accessibility/standard code

2005-12-02 Thread Jesse Rodgers

Hey,

Oh the code is horrid. No question. What I am being told is that 
Peoplesoft/Oracle are *working on it* and there is nothing the developer 
using the tools can do.


Drill down into a discussion with a development team and you find out 
that if they do change the way the HTML is then when/if they upgrade 
everything breaks. So I am told.


What I am looking for is a case where: (a) people have an accessible 
deployment or (b) people have been forced to ditch it because of 
accessibility. I am hoping for (a) cause you can't convince a Peoplesoft 
developer that what they are using is essentially a dated tool set that 
is a throwback to 1996... and with the amount they make consulting I can 
see why. According to them: It is all powerful, does all things, nothing 
can handle the loads it does (it chokes on 5000 or less simultaneous 
users) and nothing can touch it.


But really its just a tool that generates SQL and code for the front end 
in a visual authoring environment... There are (or was) a lot of uni's 
using it as they had some big add blitz in the late 90's promising all 
things to all people with regards to admissions, someone must have some 
idea ;)


Jesse

James Ellis wrote:

Hi

You could try running it through HTML tidy... or maybe you could write 
your own frontend to their backend?


Do you have some example pages?

Cheers
James

On 12/3/05, *Jesse Rodgers* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi,

I am getting the total run around here from developers on
Oracle/Peoplesoft and I was hoping someone on this list could help. My
couple questions:

- Does anyone know of an accessible PeopleSoft built application?
- Has the issue of PeopleSoft generated code been an issue or is the
responsibility that of the company using it?
- Does anyone know if, besides white papers, Oracle/PeopleSoft are
actually working on standard code that is accessible?
- How customizable is the HTML PeopleSoft spits out?

Thanks ahead of time...

Jesse


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