Re: [WSG] PHP Standards

2008-05-24 Thread Joe Ortenzi
not to self advertise, Ian, but the group I organise, ( http:// webstandards.meetup.com/130/ ) has quite a few standards-keen PHP'ers, as does the PHP London group. But as others have mentioned, it really is te (X)HTML portion that matters for standards compliance, at least in this context.

Re: [WSG] PHP Standards

2008-05-21 Thread Keryx Web
Ian Chamberlain skrev: Fingers crossed this is not too far off topic; being a newby to PHP; any clues where I can find how-to's, snippets, libraries or even application suites built from PHP that are built to a good minimum standard please. I am guessing that PHP is much like JavaScript in

Re: [WSG] PHP Standards

2008-05-20 Thread James Jeffery
There are a number of ways to get tasks done on the intnernet. Some hard core programmers would use plain old C and CGI. As for PHP Standards, follow the manual and best practices. Get a book on design patterns, especially the one by the Gang Of Four, as these patterns can crossover to the

Re: [WSG] PHP Standards

2008-05-20 Thread Matijs
I haven't had time to look into other frameworks but make sure to check out Zend as well. It's at version 1.5.2. at this time and it has a nice built-in templating system. On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 10:05 AM, James Jeffery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are a number of ways to get tasks done on

Re: [WSG] PHP Standards

2008-05-20 Thread Ian Chamberlain
: [WSG] PHP Standards I am guessing that PHP is much like JavaScript in that a lot of what is floating about is either poor or pooh the result of all the good programmes stending their time on ASP or J2EE Why woul you think the good programmers spend their time and ASP or J2EE? Michael Horowitz

Re: [WSG] PHP Standards

2008-05-20 Thread Jason Pruim
such sites, books and courses are not always of the highest quality. Ian (Freelancing with a grin - ex Head Of Web Strategy BT Global Services) - Original Message - From: Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 4:02 AM Subject: Re: [WSG

Re: [WSG] PHP Standards

2008-05-19 Thread Michael Horowitz
I am guessing that PHP is much like JavaScript in that a lot of what is floating about is either poor or pooh the result of all the good programmes stending their time on ASP or J2EE Why woul you think the good programmers spend their time and ASP or J2EE? Michael Horowitz Your Computer

Re: [WSG] PHP Standards

2008-05-19 Thread Ray Cauchi
Hi Ian You may want to check out some pre-existing PHP coding standards: http://pear.php.net/manual/en/standards.php and the incomplete http://pear.php.net/manual/en/pear2cs.php http://framework.zend.com/manual/en/coding-standard.html Both PEAR and Zend Framework are Open source

RE: [WSG] PHP Standards

2008-05-18 Thread Michael MD
The php site - php.net is always a good place to start for php There are often some good snippets to be found in user comments too Its not as good as it was a couple of years ago though, as they seem to have removed a lot of useful stuff that you could do in pure php because they can now be

Re: [WSG] PHP Standards

2008-05-16 Thread Designer
I think that it's basically your responsibility Ian, in that there are many sources of snippets available and if you use them you just validate the generated code and put right what is wrong in the php. Then, you check for best practice too . . . Bob Ian Chamberlain wrote: Fingers crossed

Re: [WSG] PHP Standards

2008-05-16 Thread Andrew Maben
On May 16, 2008, at 11:32 AM, Ian Chamberlain wrote: Fingers crossed this is not too far off topic; being a newby to PHP; any clues where I can find how-to's, snippets, libraries or even application suites built from PHP that are built to a good minimum standard please. I am guessing

Re: [WSG] PHP Standards

2008-05-16 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 4:32 PM, Ian Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fingers crossed this is not too far off topic; being a newby to PHP; any clues where I can find how-to's, snippets, libraries or even application suites built from PHP that are built to a good minimum standard please.

Re: [WSG] PHP Standards

2008-05-16 Thread Andrew Boyd
On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 3:32 AM, Andrew Maben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you asking about PHP Standards or (X)HTML Standards within the context of PHP? Even the sloppiest of PHP (or any server-side scripting) can deliver impeccable standards-compliant markup, and conversely even the most

Re: [WSG] PHP Standards

2008-05-16 Thread James Ellis
Hi Using both Tidy (1) and HTML Purifier (2) can improve tag soup no end -- although even they have their limits. They also add a bit to processing time, especially HP as it is written in PHP - you can solve that issue with page caching, though. (1) php.net/tidy (2) htmlpurifier.org HTH James