RE: [WSG] Paul Irish/Divya Manian HTML5 Boilerplate
I rather liked the conditionals around the body. What's not to like? Imho, it goes against the separation of structure and presentation (plus it messes up with the cascade), but I can understand why they are doing this. Since most people strongly believe that CSS validation is a must, they have to offer a solution that comes with the badge. Fwiw, I'd delete that junk markup and go with good old _property and *property hacks ;-) In any case, they are plenty of good things in there. A lot to learn... -- Regards, Thierry www.tjkdesign.com | www.ez-css.org | @thierrykoblentz *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Paul Irish/Divya Manian HTML5 Boilerplate
I rather liked the conditionals around the body. What's not to like? Imho, it goes against the separation of structure and presentation (plus it messes up with the cascade), but I can understand why they are doing this. Since most people strongly believe that CSS validation is a must, they have to offer a solution that comes with the badge. Fwiw, I'd delete that junk markup and go with good old _property and *property hacks ;-) I like to concept of Conditional Comments around the body, and can see your point about it going against the concept of structure/ presentation. Regardless, I have two other concerns: 1. to stop IE8 stalling, you have to place an empty conditional comment near the top of the document head. I'm sure that every time one of these is added to a document a fairy dies somewhere. Details here (under Update): http://www.phpied.com/conditional-comments-block-downloads/ 2. if you use a CMS that pushes classes into the body element, you are in all sorts of trouble with this method. If you really like this method, an alternative is to use the same method on the html element. http://htmlcssjavascript.com/css/rethinking-the-how-to-serve-ie-specific-css-question/ Here is a sample page (view source to see the Conditional Comments around the head element): http://htmlcssjavascript.com/samples/cc/mine.html The bottom line is that all solutions when dealing with earlier versions of IE are going to be some sort of hack - whether it is a CSS hack or an HTML hack - it comes down to choices that you have to make... - which is most efficient - which is most future proof (won't come back and bite you) - which is easiest to maintain etc Thanks Russ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Paul Irish/Divya Manian HTML5 Boilerplate
Considering the link doesn't even look right in IE8, I'm not sure I'd use it to build anything. Dan Freeman Webmaster ERP Administrator 800.650.6506 (TOLL FREE) 330.655.0341 (DIRECT) www.lexi.com -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Tom Livingston Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 7:58 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Paul Irish/Divya Manian HTML5 Boilerplate Anyone have any thoughts on this? Worth a try? On a production site? http://html5boilerplate.com/ Looks pretty good to me... what say ye? -- Tom Livingston | Senior Interactive Developer | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** LEXI-COMP CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information in this electronic mail is intended for the named recipients only. Any use of this information by anyone other than the intended receiver is prohibited. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this electronic e-mail or by calling 330-650-6506. Please delete it from your computer. Thank you. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Paul Irish/Divya Manian HTML5 Boilerplate
Dan I would look past per-site design choices such as that. and look into the neat and beneficial features which are many and various (also the example in use there is outdated compared with the code on github) the site has the initial release of html5boilerplate where as the github repo is stages ahead of this http://github.com/paulirish/html5-boilerplate/blob/master/index.html also it is not finished 100% some tweaks to go - mid aug apparently http://github.com/paulirish/html5-boilerplate/blob/master/index.html - S On 12 August 2010 14:24, Dan Freeman dan.free...@lexi.com wrote: Considering the link doesn't even look right in IE8, I'm not sure I'd use it to build anything. Dan Freeman Webmaster ERP Administrator 800.650.6506 (TOLL FREE) 330.655.0341 (DIRECT) www.lexi.com -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Tom Livingston Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 7:58 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Paul Irish/Divya Manian HTML5 Boilerplate Anyone have any thoughts on this? Worth a try? On a production site? http://html5boilerplate.com/ Looks pretty good to me... what say ye? -- Tom Livingston | Senior Interactive Developer | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** LEXI-COMP CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information in this electronic mail is intended for the named recipients only. Any use of this information by anyone other than the intended receiver is prohibited. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this electronic e-mail or by calling 330-650-6506. Please delete it from your computer. Thank you. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Paul Irish/Divya Manian HTML5 Boilerplate
I'm sorry to disappoint you guys, but an HTML5 Professional Template with BROWSER DETECTION (those conditional comments in the markup) is not a best practice. - HM On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Sam Sherlock sam.sherl...@gmail.com wrote: Dan I would look past per-site design choices such as that. and look into the neat and beneficial features which are many and various (also the example in use there is outdated compared with the code on github) the site has the initial release of html5boilerplate where as the github repo is stages ahead of this http://github.com/paulirish/html5-boilerplate/blob/master/index.html also it is not finished 100% some tweaks to go - mid aug apparently - S On 12 August 2010 14:24, Dan Freeman dan.free...@lexi.com wrote: Considering the link doesn't even look right in IE8, I'm not sure I'd use it to build anything. Dan Freeman Webmaster ERP Administrator 800.650.6506 (TOLL FREE) 330.655.0341 (DIRECT) www.lexi.com -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Tom Livingston Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 7:58 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Paul Irish/Divya Manian HTML5 Boilerplate Anyone have any thoughts on this? Worth a try? On a production site? http://html5boilerplate.com/ Looks pretty good to me... what say ye? -- Tom Livingston | Senior Interactive Developer | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** LEXI-COMP CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information in this electronic mail is intended for the named recipients only. Any use of this information by anyone other than the intended receiver is prohibited. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this electronic e-mail or by calling 330-650-6506. Please delete it from your computer. Thank you. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Paul Irish/Divya Manian HTML5 Boilerplate
I rather liked the conditionals around the body. What's not to like? On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Hugo Mendes hugo.men...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sorry to disappoint you guys, but an HTML5 Professional Template with BROWSER DETECTION (those conditional comments in the markup) is not a best practice. - HM On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Sam Sherlock sam.sherl...@gmail.com wrote: Dan I would look past per-site design choices such as that. and look into the neat and beneficial features which are many and various (also the example in use there is outdated compared with the code on github) the site has the initial release of html5boilerplate where as the github repo is stages ahead of this http://github.com/paulirish/html5-boilerplate/blob/master/index.html also it is not finished 100% some tweaks to go - mid aug apparently - S On 12 August 2010 14:24, Dan Freeman dan.free...@lexi.com wrote: Considering the link doesn't even look right in IE8, I'm not sure I'd use it to build anything. Dan Freeman Webmaster ERP Administrator 800.650.6506 (TOLL FREE) 330.655.0341 (DIRECT) www.lexi.com -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Tom Livingston Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 7:58 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Paul Irish/Divya Manian HTML5 Boilerplate Anyone have any thoughts on this? Worth a try? On a production site? http://html5boilerplate.com/ Looks pretty good to me... what say ye? -- Tom Livingston | Senior Interactive Developer | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** LEXI-COMP CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information in this electronic mail is intended for the named recipients only. Any use of this information by anyone other than the intended receiver is prohibited. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this electronic e-mail or by calling 330-650-6506. Please delete it from your computer. Thank you. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Tom Livingston | Senior Interactive Developer | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Paul Irish/Divya Manian HTML5 Boilerplate
On 8/12/10 4:57 AM, Tom Livingston wrote: Anyone have any thoughts on this? Worth a try? On a production site? http://html5boilerplate.com/ Looks pretty good to me... what say ye? Some useful ideas there, although I won't be using it as-is. Thanks for sharing. Cordially, David -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Paul Irish/Divya Manian HTML5 Boilerplate
Like the site says, it's delete-key friendly :-) On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:40 AM, David Hucklesby huckle...@gmail.com wrote: On 8/12/10 4:57 AM, Tom Livingston wrote: Anyone have any thoughts on this? Worth a try? On a production site? http://html5boilerplate.com/ Looks pretty good to me... what say ye? Some useful ideas there, although I won't be using it as-is. Thanks for sharing. Cordially, David -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Tom Livingston | Senior Interactive Developer | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
