RE: [WSG] Standards and Adobe Contribute

2008-11-04 Thread Kieren T
What puts me off about about Contribute is the cost; very few of my clients are willing to pay that amount of cash. There aren't many open source alternatives to choose from, I'm currently riding with SnippetMaster ( do a search), one or two bugs, but all in all an excellent, web based

Re: [WSG] Standards and Adobe Contribute

2008-11-04 Thread Joe Ortenzi
Hi Several people are misunderstanding why some of us are challenging the use of Contribute (please note, challenging, not refusing) and why a consultant might discover (please note: discover, not insist) where a CMS might be a better solution for the client in the long run and better

Re: [WSG] Standards and Adobe Contribute

2008-11-03 Thread Joe Ortenzi
I think that was the point of both myself and Dave, Todd. Mark's vitriolic rant seemed to miss the point that the technology comes after you discover what the business requires, what their resources are, what the requirements of the site will be over the next 12-24 months, etc. not just say

Re: [WSG] Standards and Adobe Contribute

2008-11-03 Thread Susan Grossman
On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 5:53 AM, James Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hi Guys, A client wants to use Adobe Contribute for content management. Is there any point writing standards complient code or will contribute butcher the code anyway? Can I use php at all with contribute? Would love to

Re: [WSG] Standards and Adobe Contribute

2008-11-03 Thread James Farrell
Hi Guys, Thank your for your insights and assistance on this topic. I am taking everyone's opinion into consideration and have received very usefull help and templates from several people. James 2008/11/3 Susan Grossman [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 5:53 AM, James Farrell [EMAIL

Re: [WSG] Standards and Adobe Contribute

2008-11-03 Thread Joe Ortenzi
Mark, you seem to misunderstand what Dave and I are saying and maybe you so angry about something you can't even see you're contradicting yourself and claiming dave and I are saying different things when your examples, reflected back at us, clearly show paralell, not conflicting

Re: [WSG] Standards and Adobe Contribute

2008-11-02 Thread Dave Lane
I'm sorry, Mark, but that is not a winning strategy in business. As a web developer, you *must* design for maintainability. Anything else is a disservice to both your business and your customer. The customer is not always right. The customer hires you because they perceive you to have

Re: [WSG] Standards and Adobe Contribute

2008-11-02 Thread Mark Harris
Dave Lane wrote: I'm sorry, Mark, but that is not a winning strategy in business. Dave, the business decision is not that of the web designer. While web design may be his business, it's not the business of his client. As a web developer, you *must* design for maintainability. Anything else

Re: [WSG] Standards and Adobe Contribute

2008-11-02 Thread Todd Budnikas
with respect to both sides here, I have had numerous clients come to me requesting Contribute as a solution. I would say the reason, in every case i believe, is the cost. It's a 1 time fee of $99. I imagine, that if you can offer something comparable or cheaper to them, they would appreciate the

Re: [WSG] Standards and Adobe Contribute

2008-11-02 Thread Dave Lane
Hello Mark, Mark Harris wrote: Dave, the business decision is not that of the web designer. While web design may be his business, it's not the business of his client. If it's not the decision of the web developer, then I don't expect that web developer to be around for long. As a web

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2008-11-02 Thread Karl Davidson
Hi, I'm currently on leave until the 17th of November. For New Zealand inquiries please contact Patrick FitzGerald (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) For Tasmanian / Support inquiries please contact either: Casey Farrell (Implementation) (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Amanda Brown (Project

RE: [WSG] Standards and Adobe Contribute [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2008-11-02 Thread Chris Vickery
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Lane Sent: Sunday, 2 November 2008 7:06 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Standards and Adobe Contribute I'm sorry, Mark, but that is not a winning strategy in business. As a web developer, you *must* design

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2008-11-02 Thread Karl Davidson
@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Standards and Adobe Contribute I'm sorry, Mark, but that is not a winning strategy in business. As a web developer, you *must* design for maintainability. Anything else is a disservice to both your business and your customer. The customer is not always right

Re: [WSG] Standards and Adobe Contribute

2008-11-02 Thread Joe Ortenzi
With respect Mark, Please do not misrepresent me. I did not say the client had to do it my way, to the contrary, I said in my post, in a portion you did not include, that the technology used must be derived from a business strategy and a needs scope of the site. To wit: The technology

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2008-11-02 Thread Karl Davidson
Hi, I'm currently on leave until the 17th of November. For New Zealand inquiries please contact Patrick FitzGerald (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) For Tasmanian / Support inquiries please contact either: Casey Farrell (Implementation) (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Amanda Brown (Project

Re: [WSG] Standards and Adobe Contribute

2008-11-02 Thread Michael MD
On Sun, 2008-11-02 at 08:21 -0500, Todd Budnikas wrote: with respect to both sides here, I have had numerous clients come to me requesting Contribute as a solution. I would say the reason, in every case i believe, is the cost. It's a 1 time fee of $99. I imagine, that if you can offer

RE: [WSG] Standards and Adobe Contribute

2008-11-01 Thread Greenidge, Gerard
Hi James, If you start with a standards compliant dreamweaver template and define the editable regions then Contribute should be able to play nice. Any php code that is NOT part of the editable regions will also be safe. If you are not using dreamweaver then there are additional steps that you

Re: [WSG] Standards and Adobe Contribute

2008-11-01 Thread Joe Ortenzi
Hi James Oddly, someone asked a similar question today in LinkedIn. http://www.linkedin.com/answers/technology/web-development/TCH_WDD/355859-15475515 Contribute is not about content management and you should never let the client specify the technology, that's YOUR job The technology you

Re: [WSG] Standards and Adobe Contribute

2008-11-01 Thread Mark Harris
Joe Ortenzi wrote: Contribute is not about content management as much as it is about allowing an in-house web team to share tasks without a proper CMS deployed. Thus your coder can code and the content writer can write but it can be all wrapped within a team. This is, frankly, Web 1.0, and