Re: [WSG] Website review : http://webprocafe.com

2009-01-20 Thread Luke Hoggett

Hi,

Just tabbed through the page and the login form are the very last 
elements on the page to be hit, needs a lower tab-index, not very nice 
in terms of accessibility.


cheers
Luke

Stewart Griffiths wrote:

Harsh is fine, it's a critique / review we asked for ;o)

Got rid of all but one error, which is a vb one, so will work on 
finding that. As for breaking when the text is increased, well, as you 
state this is due to the way vb spits out the code. But we can work on 
that going forward. WE will look at the typography we are using and 
look to make it consistent across the site, the background gradiants 
and the nav icons we will again look at updating.


Thanks for the feedback, this is all great stuff.

Stew

2009/1/16 Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis bhawkesle...@googlemail.com 
mailto:bhawkesle...@googlemail.com


On 16/1/09 16:41, Stewart Griffiths wrote:

Please can you provide feedback on the following website
http://webprocafe.com/

We are looking for thoughts on the design and usability of the
site,
plus any general feedback you want to provide.


Hmm.

Just looked at the homepage.

Pointless XHTML formedness errors, lack of heading elements, table
layouts, presentational markup, inline styles, obtrusive
JavaScript, unnecessary browser detection, presentational class
names, and a layout that begins to break with only two text size
steps up (at least in Safari) may be byproducts of vBulletin but
they undercut the site's ostensible purpose of discussing
professional web development in a way that I find hard to overlook
given you've adopted a self-hosted solution for the forum.

More subjectively, I think the random bits of sans-serif (menu
links at the side and some of the menu links at the top) look
discordant, the lack of contrast between the brown backgrounds and
darker brown text may make the content hard to read for some users
(I'd suggesting using coffee text on white instead of brown text
on brown), and the icons in the left-hand navigation menu look too
randomly generic.

Sorry that's harsh, but I hope it helps.

--
Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis



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Re: [WSG] Website review : http://webprocafe.com

2009-01-16 Thread Matthew Pennell
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Stewart Griffiths 
stewartmgriffi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Please can you provide feedback on the following website
 http://webprocafe.com/

 We are looking for thoughts on the design and usability of the site, plus
 any general feedback you want to provide.


Design, Development, Coffee ...?

- Matthew


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Re: [WSG] Website review : http://webprocafe.com

2009-01-16 Thread Christian Montoya
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Stewart Griffiths
stewartmgriffi...@gmail.com wrote:
 All,

 Please can you provide feedback on the following website
 http://webprocafe.com/

 We are looking for thoughts on the design and usability of the site, plus
 any general feedback you want to provide.

The sub-nav bar (register, faq, members list) could be combined into a
vertical list and sit in the row above it, between the site title and
the login form. As it is, it's very awkward.

Also, there's a billion links on the page that all point to
webprocafe.com... the two title images, the navigation sections, etc.
Why so many? It takes attention away from the other links.

-- 
--
Christian Montoya
mappdev.com :: christianmontoya.net


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Re: [WSG] Website review : http://webprocafe.com

2009-01-16 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis

On 16/1/09 16:41, Stewart Griffiths wrote:

Please can you provide feedback on the following website
http://webprocafe.com/

We are looking for thoughts on the design and usability of the site,
plus any general feedback you want to provide.


Hmm.

Just looked at the homepage.

Pointless XHTML formedness errors, lack of heading elements, table 
layouts, presentational markup, inline styles, obtrusive JavaScript, 
unnecessary browser detection, presentational class names, and a layout 
that begins to break with only two text size steps up (at least in 
Safari) may be byproducts of vBulletin but they undercut the site's 
ostensible purpose of discussing professional web development in a way 
that I find hard to overlook given you've adopted a self-hosted solution 
for the forum.


More subjectively, I think the random bits of sans-serif (menu links at 
the side and some of the menu links at the top) look discordant, the 
lack of contrast between the brown backgrounds and darker brown text may 
make the content hard to read for some users (I'd suggesting using 
coffee text on white instead of brown text on brown), and the icons in 
the left-hand navigation menu look too randomly generic.


Sorry that's harsh, but I hope it helps.

--
Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis


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Re: [WSG] Website review : http://webprocafe.com

2009-01-16 Thread Stewart Griffiths
Thanks Chris, we will look at that now.

Stew

2009/1/16 Christian Montoya siro...@gmail.com

 On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Stewart Griffiths
 stewartmgriffi...@gmail.com wrote:
  All,
 
  Please can you provide feedback on the following website
  http://webprocafe.com/
 
  We are looking for thoughts on the design and usability of the site, plus
  any general feedback you want to provide.

 The sub-nav bar (register, faq, members list) could be combined into a
 vertical list and sit in the row above it, between the site title and
 the login form. As it is, it's very awkward.

 Also, there's a billion links on the page that all point to
 webprocafe.com... the two title images, the navigation sections, etc.
 Why so many? It takes attention away from the other links.

 --
 --
 Christian Montoya
 mappdev.com :: christianmontoya.net


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Re: [WSG] Website review : http://webprocafe.com

2009-01-16 Thread Andrew Maben

On 16/1/09 16:41, Stewart Griffiths wrote:

Please can you provide feedback on the following website
http://webprocafe.com/

We are looking for thoughts on the design and usability of the site,
plus any general feedback you want to provide.


In the header I see Design, Development, Coffee  [something that  
breaks to the next line and is hidden behind the nav bar]


+1 Benjamin's comments

Subjectively: underwhelmed by the level of professionalism in a site  
apparently aimed at pros (but I do still dream that pro might be  
short for proficient, not just professional. Sadly it seems to me  
that in this field the word professional is applied in the loosest  
possible sense. (Bear with me, this next is NOT an attack on you, or  
your site - you have at least had the humility and good sense to ask  
this group's opinion) but it seems to me that mercenary hack is far  
too often the more appropriate term.


OK rant over, w/ apologies to all...

Andrew

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Re: [WSG] Website review : http://webprocafe.com

2009-01-16 Thread Stewart Griffiths
Harsh is fine, it's a critique / review we asked for ;o)

Got rid of all but one error, which is a vb one, so will work on finding
that. As for breaking when the text is increased, well, as you state this is
due to the way vb spits out the code. But we can work on that going forward.
WE will look at the typography we are using and look to make it consistent
across the site, the background gradiants and the nav icons we will again
look at updating.

Thanks for the feedback, this is all great stuff.

Stew

2009/1/16 Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis bhawkesle...@googlemail.com

 On 16/1/09 16:41, Stewart Griffiths wrote:

 Please can you provide feedback on the following website
 http://webprocafe.com/

 We are looking for thoughts on the design and usability of the site,
 plus any general feedback you want to provide.


 Hmm.

 Just looked at the homepage.

 Pointless XHTML formedness errors, lack of heading elements, table layouts,
 presentational markup, inline styles, obtrusive JavaScript, unnecessary
 browser detection, presentational class names, and a layout that begins to
 break with only two text size steps up (at least in Safari) may be
 byproducts of vBulletin but they undercut the site's ostensible purpose of
 discussing professional web development in a way that I find hard to
 overlook given you've adopted a self-hosted solution for the forum.

 More subjectively, I think the random bits of sans-serif (menu links at the
 side and some of the menu links at the top) look discordant, the lack of
 contrast between the brown backgrounds and darker brown text may make the
 content hard to read for some users (I'd suggesting using coffee text on
 white instead of brown text on brown), and the icons in the left-hand
 navigation menu look too randomly generic.

 Sorry that's harsh, but I hope it helps.

 --
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