Re: [WSG] web stanards detection - is it possible?

2005-07-13 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
sam sherlock wrote: What I would like to be able to do is detect to see if the user has the proper support for web standards and if not redirect them to a version of the site using old skool junk HTML ... So I am wondering: what the WSG members think of the idea? has something like this

Re: [WSG] web stanards detection - is it possible?

2005-07-13 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day What I would like to be able to do is detect to see if the user has the proper support for web standards and if not redirect them to a version of the site using old skool junk HTML Why? What benefit does anyone (developer, site owner, 1 visitor in a million) gain from that junk HTML?

Re: [WSG] web stanards detection - is it possible?

2005-07-13 Thread designer
You can easily chack if someone's browser has DOM support by including this in the header: script type=text/javascript !--// if (!document.getElementById) {window.location=altindex.html} // -- /script and this will redirect the user to an alternative html file of your choice:

Re: [WSG] web stanards detection - is it possible?

2005-07-13 Thread sam sherlock
Thanks for the responses. I agree with the points being made so far I am relucant to maintain two sites (actually I am using PHP to rebuild the junk from the XHTML semantic site and will be adding a full flash version too :) but this is not a php list ) Bert Doorn wrote: Why? What benefit

Re: [WSG] web stanards detection - is it possible?

2005-07-13 Thread Ben Curtis
On Jul 13, 2005, at 7:03 AM, sam sherlock wrote: Basic Splash Page that degrades (though in my case it can't degrade too much) directing the user to a site more suited to them (with some PHP trickery and a list of Bad Browsers) I don't want to emabrk upon a a tangent taking us off the focus

Re: [WSG] web stanards detection - is it possible?

2005-07-13 Thread designer
Hi All, I actually put a non Dom counter on one of my sites a few months ago, to check how relevant it was in this particular case. The site is a holiday letting agency, so the users are of all kinds and from all IT levels. (But mostly English). You can see the detailed stats showing the

RE: [WSG] web stanards detection - is it possible?

2005-07-13 Thread Bret Lester
Curious--how do you check for DOM? BL -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of designer Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 11:00 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] web stanards detection - is it possible? Hi All, I actually put

Re: [WSG] web stanards detection - is it possible?

2005-07-13 Thread Michael Wilson
Sam Sherlock wrote: Basic Splash Page that degrades... directing the user to a site more suited to them... a list of known bad browsers and they get put... Since this is a music media site the main user base are expecting glitz n glamour, bells n whisltes a plenty. Not giving them this is

Re: [WSG] web stanards detection - is it possible?

2005-07-13 Thread designer
Sorry, my figures were incorrect - what I thought was the last four months was actually the last 6. The actual figures are: Month Dom Non Dom Feb 296 7 Mar 504 3 April 494 0 May 516 6 June 494 2 July

Re: [WSG] web stanards detection - is it possible?

2005-07-13 Thread sam sherlock
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of designer Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 11:00 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] web stanards detection - is it possible? Hi All, I actually put a non Dom counter on one of my sites a few months ago, to check how relevant

RE: [WSG] web stanards detection - is it possible?

2005-07-13 Thread Bret Lester
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of designer Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 11:00 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] web stanards detection - is it possible? Hi All, I actually put a non Dom counter on one of my sites a few months ago

Re: [WSG] web stanards detection - is it possible?

2005-07-13 Thread sam sherlock
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of designer Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 11:00 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] web stanards detection - is it possible? Hi All, I actually put a non Dom counter on one of my sites a few months ago

Re: [WSG] web stanards detection - is it possible?

2005-07-13 Thread Peter Ottery
re: php sniffer script Splash Page that degrades (though ... can't degrade too much) Sam, i gotta agree with what Michael said earlier: Did we just hit some kind of crazy-ass time warping worm-hole thatlanded us in 1995?I beg of you, wherever you are, go out and pick up a copy of this book:

Re: [WSG] web stanards detection - is it possible?

2005-07-13 Thread James Ellis
Sam Relying on the User Agent string and browscap in PHP is fraught with danger. Most browsers have the ability to change the UA string. Browser sniffing is a slippery slope... one of those never ending tasks which is more easily solved by coding to the standards and deprecating code nicely to