Re: [wsjt-devel] FT4 gain adjustment

2019-04-26 Thread Deisher, Michael
Jim, exactly! -Original Message- From: Jim Brown [mailto:k...@audiosystemsgroup.com] Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 2:29 PM To: wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] FT4 gain adjustment On 4/26/2019 1:30 PM, Deisher, Michael wrote: > BTW, in my experience wsjtx does

Re: [wsjt-devel] The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting

2019-04-26 Thread Grant VK5GR
Ria and Brian, Good points and I was unaware of the SOTA QRP activity. The clash then is how to fit it in. My expectation is that it will need a channel bandwidth of at least 4kHz - and in a fully fledged contest I would expect it to spill wider than that at least on the primary bands of 40

Re: [wsjt-devel] The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting

2019-04-26 Thread rjai...@gmail.com
I'm not sure a WARC ban (not band, but ban) is necessary. This is touted as a contest mode but people will use it for regular DX contacts if it saves them time versus FT8. I can even see some DXpeditions using it to replace or supplement RTTY contacts. Does it have or support Fox and Hound mode?

Re: [wsjt-devel] The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting

2019-04-26 Thread Brian Dickman
Grant, I'd respectfully discourage any lower than about .065 for 20/15/10m. .060 is the standard CW QRP activity frequency for each of those bands, and .061 to .064 are the standard calling frequencies for CW SOTA activations in most if not all IARU regions. The majority of the activity centers on

Re: [wsjt-devel] FT4 gain adjustment

2019-04-26 Thread Jim Brown
On 4/26/2019 1:30 PM, Deisher, Michael wrote: BTW, in my experience wsjtx does not work half-bad with acoustic coupling. YES! By that I mean, and I think you mean, the computer mic picking up the sound from the speaker in the radio and, by Windoze accident, feeding that to WSJT-X. So I

Re: [wsjt-devel] FT4 gain adjustment

2019-04-26 Thread Deisher, Michael
Thanks, Bill. My intuition came from thinking of power as the integral of the magnitude squared of the signal over the time-frequency extent. I reasoned that doubling the bandwidth should double the power, all else being the same. But all else is not the same as you pointed out. BTW, in my

Re: [wsjt-devel] FT4 gain adjustment

2019-04-26 Thread Bill Somerville
Hi Mike, you are mixing concepts that should not be mixed there. The ~90 Hz bandwidth figure is real, it results from the tone spacing and the symbol rate. Your should really try and think of it as a continuum rather than individual tones when talking about bandwidth. The decoder extracts

Re: [wsjt-devel] Acoustic vs. Audio Frequency

2019-04-26 Thread Deisher, Michael
OK. I used the word incorrectly. Thanks for pointing that out. 73, Mike KK7ER -Original Message- From: Jim Brown [mailto:k...@audiosystemsgroup.com] Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 11:33 AM To: wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [wsjt-devel] Acoustic vs. Audio Frequency On

[wsjt-devel] Acoustic vs. Audio Frequency

2019-04-26 Thread Jim Brown
On 4/26/2019 11:14 AM, Deisher, Michael wrote: I realized that just after pressing send. The 90Hz bandwidth (I call it acoustic bandwidth since it is encoded as a PCM audio signal) You're confusing the vibration of air with an electrical signal at audio frequencies. The word "acoustic" and

Re: [wsjt-devel] FT4 gain adjustment

2019-04-26 Thread Deisher, Michael
Hi Bill, I realized that just after pressing send. The 90Hz bandwidth (I call it acoustic bandwidth since it is encoded as a PCM audio signal) is occupied by a spectrally narrow tone at any given point in time so my concern is not valid. The concern would be valid for other modulation

Re: [wsjt-devel] FT4 gain adjustment

2019-04-26 Thread Bill Somerville
On 26/04/2019 18:51, Deisher, Michael wrote: FT4 acoustic bandwidth is nearly twice that of FT8. Hi Mike, that is not correct. The FT4 signal is one-tone GFSK. At any point in time there is only one tone with constant amplitude. In this respect the difference between FT8 and FT4 is that FT8

[wsjt-devel] FT4 gain adjustment

2019-04-26 Thread Deisher, Michael
I asked this question in response to the message on the Facebook group but perhaps that is the wrong venue. FT4 acoustic bandwidth is nearly twice that of FT8. With audio gain unchanged when switching from FT8 to FT4, I would expect power out to almost double (or to saturate, etc.). This

Re: [wsjt-devel] False Decodes

2019-04-26 Thread Mike Oakley
I have all of that checked as in clearing the cq field after each call already. The only issue I see is when I just cut the software on and/or change bands sometimes that's when a lot of these false codes come up even before I transmit anything. Sometimes the software is just sitting there and

Re: [wsjt-devel] False Decodes

2019-04-26 Thread Bill Somerville
Hi Mike, as others have suggested, AP decoding will raise the probability of false decodes a little. One thing you can do to reduce the false decode probability is to ensure the DX Call filed is cleared when you are not working or attempting to work another station. You can check the option

Re: [wsjt-devel] False Decodes

2019-04-26 Thread Mike Oakley
FT8 and all bands. It just pops up. On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 11:28 AM Bill Somerville wrote: > On 26/04/2019 16:04, Mike Oakley wrote: > > I continue to get false decodes everyday even when I am not > > transmitting, for example today I cut my rig on and loaded the > > software and then I got a

[wsjt-devel] FT4 Decodes / #2, UDP

2019-04-26 Thread Saku
Hi! Perhaps I'm bit early (could not wait few days..) but compiled 2.1.0 from source and generated few audio files with ft4sim. When playing with them I did see only UDP messages #0 (heartbeat), #1 (status) and #5 (log) when pressed "log" Message that I was after was #2 (decode). Did I do

Re: [wsjt-devel] False Decodes

2019-04-26 Thread Mike Oakley
And thanks for the reply as well. On Fri, Apr 26, 2019, 11:24 AM Mike Oakley wrote: > From what I gather the false decodes always end with the ?a2 so far but > some from what I am getting do not have that. I just didn't know if it was > something I was doing wrong that's all. No I don't want to

Re: [wsjt-devel] False Decodes

2019-04-26 Thread Mike Oakley
>From what I gather the false decodes always end with the ?a2 so far but some from what I am getting do not have that. I just didn't know if it was something I was doing wrong that's all. No I don't want to cut those out so I guess I can ignore them as long as I know what they are. On Fri, Apr

Re: [wsjt-devel] False Decodes

2019-04-26 Thread Bill Somerville
On 26/04/2019 16:04, Mike Oakley wrote: I continue to get false decodes everyday even when I am not transmitting, for example today I cut my rig on and loaded the software and then I got a false decode before anything even popped on my screen. Can someone tell me why I am getting these and how

Re: [wsjt-devel] False Decodes

2019-04-26 Thread James Shaver
You can turn off AP decoding but, of course, you no longer have the advantage of AP decoding (whether that’s a loss is up to you). Or, you could ignore them since you’re aware they’re false decodes random patterns in the static can make the program spit out a false decode and it is just

[wsjt-devel] False Decodes

2019-04-26 Thread Mike Oakley
I continue to get false decodes everyday even when I am not transmitting, for example today I cut my rig on and loaded the software and then I got a false decode before anything even popped on my screen. Can someone tell me why I am getting these and how do I stop them?

Re: [wsjt-devel] The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting

2019-04-26 Thread Don AA5AU
Grant's suggested frequencies make sense to me. I would support his recommendations. Don AA5AU On Friday, April 26, 2019, 6:18:08 AM CDT, Grant VK5GR wrote: Joe et al, A word if I may about frequency choices. Some of those proposed for FT4 probably leave a bit to be desired. Here are

Re: [wsjt-devel] The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting

2019-04-26 Thread Andras Bato
Köszi! Nekem is jönnek ezek a levelek! On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 11:19 AM Grant VK5GR wrote: > Joe et al, > > A word if I may about frequency choices. Some of those proposed for FT4 > probably leave a bit to be desired. Here are some thoughts to consider: > > 80m 3.595 - PROPOSE 3562kHz - 3595 is

Re: [wsjt-devel] The FT4 Protocol for Digital Contesting

2019-04-26 Thread Grant VK5GR
Joe et al, A word if I may about frequency choices. Some of those proposed for FT4 probably leave a bit to be desired. Here are some thoughts to consider: 80m 3.595 - PROPOSE 3562kHz - 3595 is completely out of band for JA completely and into the phone part of the band outside of Region 2. My

Re: [wsjt-devel] Suggestion for Additional Checkbox

2019-04-26 Thread Martin Davies G0HDB
On 25 Apr 2019 at 14:30, Bill Somerville wrote: > Frank, > > WSJT-X tries to prevent *Fox* FT8 DXpedition mode stations from > operating on the "usual" FT8 frequencies. Clearly we cannot stop use of > Fox mode if the DX does not use CAT control. Other programs like MSHV > allow a mode similar