Re: [wsjt-devel] Winter Field Day Revisited

2021-02-19 Thread Larry B. via wsjt-devel
-devel] Winter Field Day Revisited Hi Larry, It is really a question of principle. Protocol must be capable of sending long free text that is not allowed to be source coded. Perhaps Q-codes are still allowed, hi! FT8 13 character free text is about ok for sending the required exchange

Re: [wsjt-devel] Winter Field Day Revisited

2021-02-19 Thread Bill Frantz
On 2/19/21 at 3:14 PM, wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net (Larry B. via wsjt-devel) wrote: I could be wrong, but I thought Joe’s analysis showed that the Winter FD exchange would not fit into the 77 bit package that FT8/4 used. Perhaps if WFD changed its exchange to fit the already available

Re: [wsjt-devel] Winter Field Day Revisited

2021-02-19 Thread Reino Talarmo
Hi Larry, It is really a question of principle. Protocol must be capable of sending long free text that is not allowed to be source coded. Perhaps Q-codes are still allowed, hi! FT8 13 character free text is about ok for sending the required exchange, but… Extract of reasoning: Also, its

Re: [wsjt-devel] Winter Field Day Revisited

2021-02-19 Thread Larry B. via wsjt-devel
, February 19, 2021 12:21 To: WSJT software development Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] Winter Field Day Revisited Joe: I took your message as a challenge to look up where the activity is definitively. From the notes below which I just compiled, it seems that there is a "low" of 151 log

Re: [wsjt-devel] Winter Field Day Revisited

2021-02-19 Thread Neil Zampella
Considering the 'sponsor' of "Winter" Field Day had this to say below, I'm not sure its worth it to add this 'contest'.   Not to mention that the sponsor doesn't use the same types of codes that the ARRL Field Day uses.  The codes in WFD would not properly fit in a 77 bit package, so its not an

Re: [wsjt-devel] Winter Field Day Revisited

2021-02-19 Thread Joe Taylor
Hi Dave, Thanks for your continued interest. Yes, WFD has significant participation -- a bit less than 1/10 of that in the other non-contest that has a formatted exchange built into the WSJT-X 77-bit structured messages. I'm sorry if I misled you into thinking this was simply a matter of

Re: [wsjt-devel] Winter Field Day Revisited

2021-02-19 Thread Bill Somerville
Hi Dave, the EU VHF Contest Mode is already used in several contests, not specifically data mode ones. Several EU VHF contests are not mode specific and allow entrants to boost their scores in quiet periods using terrestrial digital modes over any path not assisted by third-party repesters

Re: [wsjt-devel] Winter Field Day Revisited

2021-02-19 Thread Dave Slotter, W3DJS
Joe: I took your message as a challenge to look up where the activity is definitively. From the notes below which I just compiled, it seems that there is a "low" of *151* logs received by the 2020 FT8 VHF-UHF EU contest up to a high of *2,349* logs received by the ARRL 2021 RTTY Roundup. By

Re: [wsjt-devel] Winter Field Day Revisited

2021-02-19 Thread Joe Taylor
Hi Reino, Thanks for the information -- I'm delighted to hear it! We have received very little feedback about use of EU VHF Contest mode, so we are somewhat in the dark. -- Joe, k1JT On 2/19/2021 11:24 AM, Reino Talarmo wrote: As it turns out, supporting EU VHF contests has not

Re: [wsjt-devel] Winter Field Day Revisited

2021-02-19 Thread Reino Talarmo
>As it turns out, supporting EU VHF contests has not been very fruitful. I believe it's not much used. Hi Joe, I am a happy EU VHF contest user at least once a month, but I am interested only 6m band contests and there are many more e.g. in the Nordic Activity Contest NAC. It is used in

Re: [wsjt-devel] Winter Field Day Revisited

2021-02-19 Thread Joe Taylor
Hi Dave, The simple answer is that when designing our 77-bit message payload we chose to implement support for a few contests particularly relevant to the WSJT-X modes. WSJT and its sister programs were motivated for VHF/UHF weak-signal work and have had a strong VHF+ influence from the

[wsjt-devel] Winter Field Day Revisited

2021-02-19 Thread Dave Slotter, W3DJS
Bill: I decided to review the mailing list for prior discussions of Winter Field Day (WFD) before writing this message. I was wondering why WFD was not supported by WSJT-X and it appears from a message you apparently wrote on November 20, 2018 that: the field day class is packed into 3 bits so