Re: [html4all] the alt attribute debate

2007-09-26 Thread Henri Sivonen
Hi, On Sep 25, 2007, at 18:35, Steven Faulkner wrote: Those who add a bogus alt for validation are a subset of people who include a bogus alt. and what size is this subset (who knows) Presumably the population whose behavior is swayed by what is deemed valid (i.e. syntactically correct)

On the fostering of immaturity and derision

2007-09-26 Thread Steven Faulkner
was quoted out of context a few lines before, and used as fodder for another statement about having no understanding of the point, so use of the IRC to quote people out of context works both ways gsnedders. an interesting exchange from the IRC ( http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20070926) below: 00

Re: On the fostering of immaturity and derision

2007-09-26 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007, Steven Faulkner wrote: One of the issues I have a problem with is, that you have in the past and continue to be two faced. In some communications you are friendly and open minded and professional in others, you are derisive and dismissive of any points of view that

Re: On the fostering of immaturity and derision

2007-09-26 Thread Steven Faulkner
Hi Ian Nicely sidestepped. I find it hard to believe that your general acceptance of immature and derisive attitudes on a publically recorderd IRC channel is not indicative of how you take into account divergent views when you edit the spec. On 26/09/2007, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

comments about alt

2007-09-26 Thread Steven Faulkner
. for window eyes only if there is no alt or title on an image but the containing element has a title it will be announced a title=pootimg/a othermaciej jgraham_: do you think a title= on the link might be an acceptable alternative in such cases? # http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20070926#l

Re: comments about alt

2007-09-26 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
Hey Steven, On Sep 26, 2007, at 1:44 AM, Steven Faulkner wrote: Hi Maciej, presuming you are othermaciej noticed your comments about alt on the IRC Indeed, c'est moi. some info about some screen readers (jaws and window eyes) that may be informative: if there is no alt attribute or an

Re: comments about alt

2007-09-26 Thread Steven Faulkner
eyes only if there is no alt or title on an image but the containing element has a title it will be announced a title=pootimg/a othermaciej jgraham_: do you think a title= on the link might be an acceptable alternative in such cases? # http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20070926#l-201 [10

Re: On the fostering of immaturity and derision

2007-09-26 Thread Steven Faulkner
Hi Ian, indeed i don't have to believe you, but when the editor of the spec starts to lose the working group participants respect due to his condoning (explicitly or implicitly) of unsavoury behaviours on a public IRC dedicated to HTML 5, it is a matter that should be taken seriously. Not

Re: comments about alt

2007-09-26 Thread Maciej Stachowiak
On Sep 26, 2007, at 1:55 AM, Steven Faulkner wrote: thanks, dont have james' email address. feel ashamed to admit this but have rarely used IRC. can you suggest a good client? What OS do you use? On Mac OS X, I would suggest Colloquy. On Windows I don't have a great suggestion, but I am

Re: On the fostering of immaturity and derision

2007-09-26 Thread Ian Hickson
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007, Steven Faulkner wrote: Hi Ian, indeed i don't have to believe you, but when the editor of the spec starts to lose the working group participants respect due to his condoning (explicitly or implicitly) of unsavoury behaviours on a public IRC dedicated to HTML 5, it is

RE: HTTP Endpoints and Resources

2007-09-26 Thread Dan Connolly
On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 11:56 -0500, Pat Hayes wrote: Rhys, I like your recognition that 200 and 303 URIs have something in common, but please don't refer to the 303 case has having an http endpoint that responds, because doing so would introduce the unnecessary confusion of having the same

RE: HTTP Endpoints and Resources

2007-09-26 Thread Pat Hayes
On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 11:56 -0500, Pat Hayes wrote: Rhys, I like your recognition that 200 and 303 URIs have something in common, but please don't refer to the 303 case has having an http endpoint that responds, because doing so would introduce the unnecessary confusion of having the

RE: HTTP Endpoints and Resources

2007-09-26 Thread Dan Connolly
On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 14:30 -0500, Pat Hayes wrote: [...] Ive never even heard you make a case for your (Tim's?) position. Yes, you have, many times. Most recently, by your own admission: [[ (I could give a counter-argument, but I'm sure you a have seen it before and it didn't convince you

RE: HTTP Endpoints and Resources

2007-09-26 Thread Pat Hayes
On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 14:30 -0500, Pat Hayes wrote: [...] Ive never even heard you make a case for your (Tim's?) position. Yes, you have, many times. Most recently, by your own admission: [[ (I could give a counter-argument, but I'm sure you a have seen it before and it didn't convince

Re: On the fostering of immaturity and derision

2007-09-26 Thread Dan Connolly
On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 09:46 +, Ian Hickson wrote: On Wed, 26 Sep 2007, Steven Faulkner wrote: Hi Ian, indeed i don't have to believe you, but when the editor of the spec starts to lose the working group participants respect due to his condoning (explicitly or implicitly) of

Re: comments about alt

2007-09-26 Thread Karl Dubost
Using IRC. Maciej Stachowiak (26 sept. 2007 - 18:06) : On Mac OS X, I would suggest Colloquy. On Windows I don't have a great suggestion, but I am told XChat in case it matters, XChat exists for mac too http://sourceforge.net/projects/xchataqua/ -- Karl Dubost -

CSS Selectors to XPath expressions

2007-09-26 Thread Bjoern Hoehrmann
Hi, (I wrote this many moons ago, it's incomplete and there are a few errors below, but I've been asked to post this somewhere; maybe some- one corrects and completes it. It's the most complete analysis of this kind that I know of.) In the following I will describe the transformation of a