Re: [X2go-dev] source code repository

2010-07-26 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Sun, 2010-07-25 at 11:12 +0200, Heinz-M. Graesing wrote: > As this is a offer of mike I'd like to ask directly: If we choose some > generic projects which can be easily mirrored and don't have a "lock in" > effect, would you and anybody else like to run a mirror? This would be > help to avoi

Re: [X2go-dev] source code repository

2010-07-25 Thread Gerry Reno
On 07/25/2010 05:12 AM, Heinz-M. Graesing wrote: Hello x2gousers, to get back to this discussion... We've received a lot of ideas and concerns on the list and as direct emails (again - those would better be posted to the list too...). Some words about BerliOS: A number of people are register

Re: [X2go-dev] source code repository

2010-07-25 Thread Heinz-M. Graesing
Hello x2gousers, to get back to this discussion... We've received a lot of ideas and concerns on the list and as direct emails (again - those would better be posted to the list too...). Some words about BerliOS: A number of people are registered to BerliOS because of the projects past (x2go

Re: [X2go-dev] source code repository

2010-07-18 Thread Gerry Reno
On 07/18/2010 06:29 PM, Mike Gabriel wrote: THIS MEANS: we have to get you some Mac hardware... There is a store on eBay that sometimes has very good deals on used Macs, The 4th Bin Store: http://stores.ebay.com/The-4th-Bin-Store I've seen some desktops for between $100-300 USD. Regards,

Re: [X2go-dev] source code repository

2010-07-18 Thread Mike Gabriel
Hi Heinz, hi Alex, On So 18 Jul 2010 19:18:43 CEST "Heinz-M. Graesing" wrote: As this was a response to Mike's mail: Am 18.07.2010 14:42, schrieb Mike Gabriel: possible focus could be: 1. support the next release as best as we can (testing, bug reports etc.) Most of the bugs are not part

Re: [X2go-dev] source code repository

2010-07-18 Thread Mike Gabriel
Hi Heinz, hi list-people, On So 18 Jul 2010 19:18:43 CEST "Heinz-M. Graesing" wrote: -1- [...] Is it ok to use git as "version control and code publishing tool" +1 from me -2- [...] I have no special preference here. I do not like registering for accounts on these portals an

Re: [X2go-dev] source code repository

2010-07-18 Thread Gerry Reno
On 07/18/2010 05:50 PM, Paul Menzel wrote: [ Please reply in context. ] Am Sonntag, den 18.07.2010, 17:36 -0400 schrieb Gerry Reno: […] The whole point of tool discussion in an open source project should be what tools make it easiest for the community as a whole to contribute, collaborate

Re: [X2go-dev] source code repository

2010-07-18 Thread Paul Menzel
[ Please reply in context. ] Am Sonntag, den 18.07.2010, 17:36 -0400 schrieb Gerry Reno: […] > The whole point of tool discussion in an open source project should be > what tools make it easiest for the community as a whole to contribute, > collaborate and participate in the project. If you h

Re: [X2go-dev] source code repository

2010-07-18 Thread Gerry Reno
On 07/18/2010 05:15 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: On 07/18/2010 04:38 PM, Paul Menzel wrote: [1] http://whygitisbetterthanx.com/ In the interest of equal representation here are some links regarding other VCS: http://unspecified.wordpress.com/2010/03/26/why-git-aint-better-than-x/ http://doc.bazaa

Re: [X2go-dev] source code repository

2010-07-18 Thread Gerry Reno
On 07/18/2010 04:38 PM, Paul Menzel wrote: [1] http://whygitisbetterthanx.com/ In the interest of equal representation here are some links regarding other VCS: http://unspecified.wordpress.com/2010/03/26/why-git-aint-better-than-x/ http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/migration/en/why-switch-to-

Re: [X2go-dev] source code repository

2010-07-18 Thread Mike Gabriel
Dear Eli, On So 18 Jul 2010 21:54:10 CEST "Eli K." wrote: --- Heinz-M. Graesing schrieb am So, 18.7.2010: Von: Heinz-M. Graesing Betreff: Re: [X2go-dev] source code repository An: x2go-dev@lists.berlios.de I think we need to talk about 3 different things: 1. source co

Re: [X2go-dev] source code repository

2010-07-18 Thread Paul Menzel
Am Sonntag, den 18.07.2010, 14:29 -0400 schrieb Gerry Reno: > On 07/18/2010 01:18 PM, Heinz-M. Graesing wrote: > > I think we need to talk about 3 different things: > > > > 1. source code hosting/modification/interactivity/versioning > > > > 2. the place where the code shoud be stored > > > > 3. t

Re: [X2go-dev] source code repository

2010-07-18 Thread Gerry Reno
On 07/18/2010 03:54 PM, Eli K. wrote: This are no questions! You need to use Launchpad/Bazar, because Ubuntu will become the only Linux on the market!!! History does not bear out such a conclusion that Ubuntu will be the only Linux. The same was said about Minix, Slackware, Debian, RedH

Re: [X2go-dev] source code repository

2010-07-18 Thread Eli K.
--- Heinz-M. Graesing schrieb am So, 18.7.2010: > Von: Heinz-M. Graesing > Betreff: Re: [X2go-dev] source code repository > An: x2go-dev@lists.berlios.de > I think we need to talk about 3 different things: > > 1. source code > hosting/modification/interactivity/version

Re: [X2go-dev] source code repository

2010-07-18 Thread Gerry Reno
On 07/18/2010 01:18 PM, Heinz-M. Graesing wrote: Hello, I think we need to talk about 3 different things: 1. source code hosting/modification/interactivity/versioning 2. the place where the code shoud be stored 3. the tools which should be used for organisation All three items have become m

Re: [X2go-dev] source code repository

2010-07-18 Thread Heinz-M. Graesing
Hello, I think we need to talk about 3 different things: 1. source code hosting/modification/interactivity/versioning 2. the place where the code shoud be stored 3. the tools which should be used for organisation All three items have become mixed up in some mails and discussions. Again I had

Re: [X2go-dev] source code repository

2010-07-18 Thread Mike Gabriel
Hi there, On So 18 Jul 2010 08:57:10 CEST "John A. Sullivan III" wrote: On Sun, 2010-07-18 at 01:17 +0200, Jörg Sawatzki wrote: > We are working with git and now that is a big whish of you, the next > thin we'll do is to get git.x2go.org working. Why don't you use github or *forge? It save

Re: [X2go-dev] source code repository

2010-07-17 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Sun, 2010-07-18 at 01:17 +0200, Jörg Sawatzki wrote: > > > We are working with git and now that is a big whish of you, the next > > thin we'll do is to get git.x2go.org working. > Why don't you use github or *forge? It saves time and money and you have > the same (and more) possibilities than

Re: [X2go-dev] source code repository

2010-07-17 Thread Gerry Reno
On 07/17/2010 07:17 PM, Jörg Sawatzki wrote: Heinz wrote: We wan't to use our own server to be able to autobuild packages etc... but I will push a copy to github too. There is absolutely no need for this - for example, if you have a project page on Launchpad, their servers can autobuild .

Re: [X2go-dev] source code repository

2010-07-17 Thread Jörg Sawatzki
Hi Heinz, that all sounds very good and promising. > I would like to handle this like debian: to combine your ideas with x2go > directly or let you create some "meta distributions" (like debian med or > debian edu). A good idea in general, but I am not sure if this makes sense with a rather small

Re: [X2go-dev] source code repository

2010-07-17 Thread Heinz-M. Graesing
Hello Community, Helpers and x2go users, I'm not at homeat the moment, so I don't have time for an email containing all topics that appeared in the last posts. We read all emails on this list and as soon as there is the possibility, I'll try to respond on a lot of ideas you have given. I just wa

Re: [X2go-dev] source code repository

2010-07-16 Thread Mike Gabriel
Hi Joerg, On Fr 16 Jul 2010 15:27:52 CEST Joerg Sawatzki wrote: Hi. Well, using VCS doesn't mean that you are giving away power/leadership of the project. Using VCS means saving a lot of time and being a lot more productive, even if you do not accept any contribution of anybody. I agree with m

Re: [X2go-dev] source code repository

2010-07-16 Thread Paul Menzel
Dear Jörg, Am Freitag, den 16.07.2010, 15:27 +0200 schrieb Joerg Sawatzki: > Well, using VCS doesn't mean that you are giving away power/leadership > of the project. Using VCS means saving a lot of time and being a lot > more productive, even if you do not accept any contribution of anybody. > I

Re: [X2go-dev] source code repository

2010-07-16 Thread Gerry Reno
Alex, Heinz, I did not start this thread with any intent of accusation toward x2go. I merely went looking for the source code and when I could not find it I then asked on the list for the locations of all the source code. There was no clear statement I could find on the project that said:

Re: [X2go-dev] source code repository

2010-07-16 Thread Joerg Sawatzki
Hi. Well, using VCS doesn't mean that you are giving away power/leadership of the project. Using VCS means saving a lot of time and being a lot more productive, even if you do not accept any contribution of anybody. I agree with most of your points, but I didn't read any reason against using VCS.

Re: [X2go-dev] source code repository

2010-07-16 Thread John A. Sullivan III
On Fri, 2010-07-16 at 12:52 +0200, Heinz-M. Graesing wrote: > Am 16.07.2010 06:21, schrieb Gerry Reno: > > > > > > And you cannot make an "open core" project out of a derivative of a > > GPL work. The "open core" part has to be in surrounding apps that > > themselves do not link to any GPL code

Re: [X2go-dev] source code repository

2010-07-16 Thread Heinz-M. Graesing
Am 16.07.2010 06:21, schrieb Gerry Reno: And you cannot make an "open core" project out of a derivative of a GPL work. The "open core" part has to be in surrounding apps that themselves do not link to any GPL code whatsoever. Hello Gerry, hello list members, Please have a look back in

Re: [X2go-dev] source code repository

2010-07-16 Thread Mike Gabriel
Gerry, thanks for your expertise on this. I will mark this mail for further reference, in case I will need it some time. It is a really good digest on the subject of freed software. Thanks a lot, Mike On Fr 16 Jul 2010 04:07:47 CEST Gerry Reno wrote: There has always been confusion abou

Re: [X2go-dev] source code repository

2010-07-15 Thread Gerry Reno
On 07/15/2010 09:03 PM, Ronald Skeoch wrote: As a long term Linux "open Core" developer Here's the general consensus of "open core" which tries to exploit open source is anything but open: http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/index.cfm?entryid=3047&blogid=41 And you cannot make a

Re: [X2go-dev] source code repository

2010-07-15 Thread Ronald Skeoch
Heinz Thank you for making the code available. As a long term Linux "open Core" developer I find the tirade directed at the X2go team excessive! We had made a commitment to Open our own product However when you have a large scope in our case 500 apps (Coming to the end of a 3yr that has stret

Re: [X2go-dev] source code repository

2010-07-15 Thread Gerry Reno
There has always been confusion about the terms "free software" and "open source software" and all the different open source licenses that are available. There are essentially four (4) categories of open source software: 1. Free Software (FS) 2. Open Source Software (OSS) 3. Free (Libre) Ope

Re: [X2go-dev] source code repository

2010-07-15 Thread Mike Gabriel
On Do 15 Jul 2010 22:48:32 CEST Joerg Sawatzki wrote: Hey, even though I don't think anybody is violating the terms of the GPL, I'd say X2go is not a true open source project. What you are doing is more like commercial vendors develop software: A few guys develop a product, while the community

Re: [X2go-dev] source code repository

2010-07-15 Thread Joerg Sawatzki
Hey, even though I don't think anybody is violating the terms of the GPL, I'd say X2go is not a true open source project. What you are doing is more like commercial vendors develop software: A few guys develop a product, while the community has no insight at all and from time to time you publish a

Re: [X2go-dev] source code repository

2010-07-15 Thread Gerry Reno
On 07/15/2010 03:11 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: On 07/15/2010 02:55 PM, Heinz-M. Graesing wrote: Am 15.07.2010 11:55, schrieb Mike Gabriel: Hi there, On Do 15 Jul 2010 03:15:13 CEST Gerry Reno wrote: Another possibility - and this is also one possible way of approaching a project like x2go - is th

Re: [X2go-dev] source code repository

2010-07-15 Thread Gerry Reno
On 07/15/2010 02:55 PM, Heinz-M. Graesing wrote: Am 15.07.2010 11:55, schrieb Mike Gabriel: Hi there, On Do 15 Jul 2010 03:15:13 CEST Gerry Reno wrote: Another possibility - and this is also one possible way of approaching a project like x2go - is that Heinz and Alex state explic

Re: [X2go-dev] source code repository

2010-07-15 Thread Heinz-M. Graesing
Am 15.07.2010 11:55, schrieb Mike Gabriel: > Hi there, > > On Do 15 Jul 2010 03:15:13 CEST Gerry Reno wrote: > Another possibility - and this is also one possible way of approaching a > project like x2go - is that Heinz and Alex state explicitly that > priorities are different in the core develop

Re: [X2go-dev] source code repository

2010-07-15 Thread Gerry Reno
On 07/15/2010 12:56 PM, Gerry Reno wrote: On 07/15/2010 05:55 AM, Mike Gabriel wrote: Hi there, On Do 15 Jul 2010 03:15:13 CEST Gerry Reno wrote: Heinz, I went looking for the source code at http://git.x2go.org/ today but there is nothing there. Is the source code at some other URL? I t

Re: [X2go-dev] source code repository

2010-07-15 Thread Gerry Reno
On 07/15/2010 05:55 AM, Mike Gabriel wrote: Hi there, On Do 15 Jul 2010 03:15:13 CEST Gerry Reno wrote: Heinz, I went looking for the source code at http://git.x2go.org/ today but there is nothing there. Is the source code at some other URL? I think a lot of questions could be answered a

Re: [X2go-dev] source code repository

2010-07-15 Thread Mike Gabriel
Hi there, On Do 15 Jul 2010 03:15:13 CEST Gerry Reno wrote: Heinz, I went looking for the source code at http://git.x2go.org/ today but there is nothing there. Is the source code at some other URL? I think a lot of questions could be answered and good contributions suggested if the so

[X2go-dev] source code repository

2010-07-14 Thread Gerry Reno
Heinz, I went looking for the source code at http://git.x2go.org/ today but there is nothing there. Is the source code at some other URL? I think a lot of questions could be answered and good contributions suggested if the source was readily available which it should be since x2go is linki