Re: [Xastir] New stable release out: xastir-2.0.4
Hi Curt.. tried to ./update-xastir ...i presume it may have done a update but under Help About it is coming up Xastir v2.0.3 Fri Nov 2 2012 which i believe is when i did the last update would i have to d/l the 2.0.4 tar file from sourceforge and compile from there 73 David VK4BDJ On 05/12/12 10:29, Curt, WE7U wrote: A new stable release has been pushed out to SourceForge. This one includes the two Makefile changes and an update to the getNWS script. Tom asked that I push it out so that package maintainers could have the latest. Since AnonCVS is having troubles the only way to get the changes out to those who needed them was through a release. Consider it a minor bug-fix release. ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] New stable release out: xastir-2.0.4
On Wed, 5 Dec 2012, Chip Griffin wrote: OSX is based on FreeBSD, so your second to last statement is somewhat redundant. I thought it was based on real BSD, not FreeBSD. Not open-source Unix. They have to pay the license-holder of Unix for it. -- Curt, WE7U.http://wetnet.net/~we7u APRS Client Capabilities: http://wetnet.net/~we7u/aprs_capabilities.html ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] New stable release out: xastir-2.0.4
The core of MacOS X is called Darwin, and is open source. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_%28operating_system%29 - Jason On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Curt, WE7U curt.w...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 5 Dec 2012, Chip Griffin wrote: OSX is based on FreeBSD, so your second to last statement is somewhat redundant. I thought it was based on real BSD, not FreeBSD. Not open-source Unix. They have to pay the license-holder of Unix for it. -- Curt, WE7U.http://wetnet.net/~we7u APRS Client Capabilities: http://wetnet.net/~we7u/aprs_** capabilities.html http://wetnet.net/%7Ewe7u/aprs_capabilities.html __**_ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-**bin/mailman/listinfo/xastirhttp://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir -- The problem with quotes on the Internet is that it is often difficult to verify their authenticity. - *Abraham Lincoln* ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] New stable release out: xastir-2.0.4
On Dec 5, 2012, at 6:34 AM, Curt, WE7U curt.w...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 5 Dec 2012, Chip Griffin wrote: OSX is based on FreeBSD, so your second to last statement is somewhat redundant. I thought it was based on real BSD, not FreeBSD. Not open-source Unix. They have to pay the license-holder of Unix for it. The NeXTSTEP kernel was originally a single server Mach microkernel with a 4.3 BSD server on top of it. When Apple got ahold of it they changed out the userland with FreeBSD versions and modified their 4.3 BSD server with some of the FreeBSD kernel code as well. That doesn't make it derived from FreeBSD or really even based on FreeBSD. In some ways it acts like FreeBSD, but in other ways it's completely differently. For example, sometimes the pthread library doesn't work very well because it's not the native threading method. Threads are implemented on the Mach microkernel level and there are calls such as thread_policy_set() to interact with them in their native API. -- Curt, WE7U.http://wetnet.net/~we7u APRS Client Capabilities: http://wetnet.net/~we7u/aprs_capabilities.html ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir -- Jeremy McDermond (NH6Z) Xenotropic Systems mcde...@xenotropic.com ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] New stable release out: xastir-2.0.4
From Wikipedia (for what it's worth): OS X is based upon the Mach kernel. Certain parts from FreeBSD's and NetBSD's implementation of Unix were incorporated in NeXTSTEP, the core of Mac OS X. NeXTSTEP was the graphical, object-oriented, and UNIX-based operating system developed by Steve Jobs' company NeXT after he left Apple in 1985.[14] While Jobs was away from Apple, Apple tried to create a next-generation OS through the Taligent,Copland and Gershwin projects, with little success.[15] OS X's core is a POSIX compliant operating system (OS) built on top of the XNU kernel, with standard Unix facilities available from thecommand line interface. Apple has released this family of software as a free and open source operating system named Darwin. On top of Darwin, Apple layered a number of components, including the Aqua interface and the Finder, to complete the GUI-based operating system which is OS X.[24] Since OS X is POSIX compliant, many software packages written for the *BSDs, Linux, or other Unix-like systems can be recompiled to run on it. Projects such as Homebrew, Fink, MacPorts and pkgsrc provide pre-compiled or pre-formatted packages. From version 10.3 to version 10.7, OS X included X11.app, Apple's version of the X Window System graphical interface for Unix applications, as an optional component during installation.[40] Up to and including Mac OS X v10.4 (Tiger), Apple's implementation was based on the X11 LicensedXFree86 4.3 and X11R6.6. All bundled versions of X11 feature a window manager which is similar to the OS X look-and-feel and has fairly good integration with Mac OS X, also using the native Quartz rendering system. Earlier versions of OS X (in which X11 has not been bundled) can also run X11 applications using XDarwin. With the introduction of version 10.5 Apple switched to the X.org variant of X11.[41] Version Mac OS X 10.7 Lion uses X.org Server version 1.10 .x[42] Starting with OS X Mountain Lion, X11 is not bundled in OS X; instead, it has to be installed from, for example, the open source XQuartz project.[43] --Chip/N1MIE On Dec 5, 2012, at 9:34, Curt, WE7U curt.w...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 5 Dec 2012, Chip Griffin wrote: OSX is based on FreeBSD, so your second to last statement is somewhat redundant. I thought it was based on real BSD, not FreeBSD. Not open-source Unix. They have to pay the license-holder of Unix for it. -- Curt, WE7U.http://wetnet.net/~we7u APRS Client Capabilities: http://wetnet.net/~we7u/aprs_capabilities.html ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] New stable release out: xastir-2.0.4
Regardless of the origin of the kernel, OS X is drastically different in terms of the support packages one can expect to find on a typical system. It _is_ in fact a different _operating_system_, whoever the original parents are. -Jason kg4wsv ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] New stable release out: xastir-2.0.4
On Wed, 5 Dec 2012, Jeremy McDermond wrote: On Dec 5, 2012, at 6:34 AM, Curt, WE7U curt.w...@gmail.com wrote: I thought it was based on real BSD, not FreeBSD. Not open-source Unix. They have to pay the license-holder of Unix for it. The NeXTSTEP kernel was originally a single server Mach microkernel with a 4.3 BSD server on top of it. When Apple got ahold of it they changed out the userland with FreeBSD versions and modified their 4.3 BSD server with some of the FreeBSD kernel code as well. That doesn't make it derived from FreeBSD or really even based on FreeBSD. In some ways it acts like FreeBSD, but in other ways it's completely differently. For example, sometimes the pthread library doesn't work very well because it's not the native threading method. Threads are implemented on the Mach microkernel level and there are calls such as thread_policy_set() to interact with them in their native API. Huh. So this means it's not 4.3 BSD but derived from it, with FreeBSD and Mach microkernel bits added for flavoring. A new creature, but again would require licensing from the Unix license holder because it is based off real BSD. Correct? -- Curt, WE7U.http://wetnet.net/~we7u U.S. Weather Alerts: Firenet.us, port 14580, filter t/n e/WE7U-WX ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
Re: [Xastir] New stable release out: xastir-2.0.4
On Wed, 5 Dec 2012, Chip Griffin wrote: OS X is based upon the Mach kernel. Certain parts from FreeBSD's and NetBSD's implementation of Unix were incorporated in NeXTSTEP, the core of Mac OS X. NeXTSTEP was the graphical, object-oriented, and UNIX-based operating system developed by Steve Jobs' company NeXT after he left Apple in 1985.[14] While Jobs was away from Apple, Apple tried to create a next-generation OS through the Taligent,Copland and Gershwin projects, with little success.[15] OS X's core is a POSIX compliant operating system (OS) built on top of the XNU kernel, with standard Unix facilities available from thecommand line interface. Apple has released this family of software as a free and open source operating system named Darwin. If they've released it all as open-source, then it must not be based on original BSD code and therefore doesn't require licensing. My bad. Found this with a quick Google search (more complete): http://osxbook.com/book/bonus/ancient/whatismacosx/arch_xnu.html In the BSD section it says: XNU's BSD component uses FreeBSD as the primary reference codebase (although some code might be traced to other BSDs). Darwin 7.x (Mac OS X 10.3.x) uses FreeBSD 5.x. -- Curt, WE7U.http://wetnet.net/~we7u U.S. Weather Alerts: Firenet.us, port 14580, filter t/n e/WE7U-WX ___ Xastir mailing list Xastir@lists.xastir.org http://lists.xastir.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/xastir
