Re: [Xastir] Time to discard VMware as an option?

2009-12-19 Thread Jason KG4WSV
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 9:55 PM, Richard Murnane richard.murn...@internode.on.net wrote: Hi all, In my ideal world (platform agnosticism) Xastir would run as a web application A web interface is the most awkward and inefficient way to do just about anything. Xastir currently runs fine on

Re: [Xastir] Time to discard VMware as an option?

2009-12-19 Thread Curt, WE7U
On Sat, 19 Dec 2009, Jason KG4WSV wrote: A web interface is the most awkward and inefficient way to do just about anything. Xastir currently runs fine on hardware that chokes bringing up an empty firefox window; let's not bloat it so that we're leading Moore's Law on hardware utilization.

Re: [Xastir] Time to discard VMware as an option?

2009-12-19 Thread Gerry Creager
+1 gerry Jason KG4WSV wrote: On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 9:55 PM, Richard Murnane richard.murn...@internode.on.net wrote: Hi all, In my ideal world (platform agnosticism) Xastir would run as a web application A web interface is the most awkward and inefficient way to do just about anything.

Re: [Xastir] Time to discard VMware as an option?

2009-12-19 Thread Tapio Sokura
Ray Wells wrote: Have a look at Virtual Box. You can download it from their website as a package for many Linux varieties.. I use it here to run WinXP Pro in a VB under Kubuntu 9.10. It's great. I've been running CentOS and Fedora guests on VirtualBox, using a Windows XP laptop host. It

Re: [Xastir] Time to discard VMware as an option?

2009-12-19 Thread Lee Bengston
On 12/18/09, Tom Hayward esa...@gmail.com wrote: I guess I had better dust off my programming skills and see if I can come up with a free way to create a Windows native executable. Either that or go find and submit fixes to Cygwin to make it a viable option again. What about andLinux as an

Re: [Xastir] Time to discard VMware as an option?

2009-12-18 Thread Amateur Radio WB8NUT
Here's my opinion. We, as a group, should only focus on VMware. If individuals want to go and use other virtualization engines, that's fine. The reason is simple. VMware is by far the leader. It is the only virtualization engine for most of the commercial enterprises and government entities

Re: [Xastir] Time to discard VMware as an option?

2009-12-18 Thread Tim Billingsley
I am not government or commercial. I am a strong proponent of open source. No problem supporting VMWare, but why knock VBox. Thought processes like that are why Micro$oft has such a sharehold now. On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 7:02 AM, Amateur Radio WB8NUT du...@wb8nut.com wrote: Here's my opinion.

Re: [Xastir] Time to discard VMware as an option?

2009-12-18 Thread Amateur Radio WB8NUT
Tim and all, I am not knocking VBox or any other virtual engine. But going with the leader in virtualization has many advantages. The reason MS has such as lock is pretty simple. It's easy to use and with Windows 7, pretty stable and they eliminated many of the Vista issues. XP was also

Re: [Xastir] Time to discard VMware as an option?

2009-12-18 Thread David Flood
I originally asked the question in this thread due to the somewhat alarming changes that have been made by VMWare in regards to the Player. I see now that I opened a large can of worms almost on the scale of VI vs EMACS. Each suggestion and thought has its own merit. But, taken as a whole, a

Re: [Xastir] Time to discard VMware as an option?

2009-12-18 Thread Curt, WE7U
On Fri, 18 Dec 2009, Ray Wells wrote: The OSE version is crippled but the package version from the VB website is not. You need to install Guest Additions and USB works fine. I use both memory stick and two USB printers. I'm finally learning Linux tricks from my kids (bound to happen at some

Re: [Xastir] Time to discard VMware as an option?

2009-12-18 Thread Curt, WE7U
On Fri, 18 Dec 2009, David Flood wrote: I see now that I opened a large can of worms almost on the scale of VI vs EMACS. David: You need to realize your strengths! hi hi Each suggestion and thought has its own merit. But, taken as a whole, a move by a manufacturer from free, no

Re: [Xastir] Time to discard VMware as an option?

2009-12-18 Thread Tom Russo
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 08:54:21AM -0800, we recorded a bogon-computron collision of the arc...@eskimo.com flavor, containing: On Fri, 18 Dec 2009, Ray Wells wrote: The OSE version is crippled but the package version from the VB website is not. You need to install Guest Additions and USB

Re: [Xastir] Time to discard VMware as an option?

2009-12-18 Thread Curt, WE7U
On Fri, 18 Dec 2009, Tom Hayward wrote: I guess I had better dust off my programming skills and see if I can come up with a free way to create a Windows native executable.  Either that or go find and submit fixes to Cygwin to make it a viable option again. What about andLinux as an

Re: [Xastir] Time to discard VMware as an option?

2009-12-18 Thread Curt, WE7U
On Fri, 18 Dec 2009, Tom Russo wrote: At any rate, it is said that VirtualBox can run the same Linux VMs that VMWare can run because it supports the vmdk virtual disk format. I have not yet tried it, but plan to check if the Xastir-Hardy VM works unmodified (except, perhaps, for adding

Re: [Xastir] Time to discard VMware as an option?

2009-12-18 Thread Ray Wells
I wonder where Linux would be today if everyone adopted a flash in the pan attitude and stuck with Windoze? We had better not buy a car. After all, the horse has served us well for centuries. Do you see where I'm heading? Ray vk2tv Amateur Radio WB8NUT wrote: Here's my opinion. We, as a

Re: [Xastir] Time to discard VMware as an option?

2009-12-18 Thread kg4giy
it. That gives me more time to work on what is important to me. And as someone who has a marginal amount of time to devote to my hobby, every savings I can get is good. DAVID -Original Message- From: Amateur Radio WB8NUT du...@wb8nut.com Subj: Re: [Xastir] Time to discard VMware as an option

Re: [Xastir] Time to discard VMware as an option?

2009-12-18 Thread Tom Russo
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 04:23:25PM -0500, we recorded a bogon-computron collision of the du...@wb8nut.com flavor, containing: There is no real wrong virtualization technology if it works for you. But if the group is going to support something, Let's just be clear about something. The

Re: [Xastir] Time to discard VMware as an option?

2009-12-18 Thread Ray Wells
Actually, no, but there are viable alternative in many situations, and just because a particular application hasn't been around for a long time doesn't mean it should be given some consideration. I still use Windows in those situations where there is no Linux alternative; why else would I

Re: [Xastir] Time to discard VMware as an option?

2009-12-18 Thread Richard Murnane
Hi all, In my ideal world (platform agnosticism) Xastir would run as a web application on localhost, and you would use your browser of choice to do everything (rather like aprs.fi does so far). (I'll say no more on this until I'm in a position to contribute substantial code to such a

[Xastir] Time to discard VMware as an option?

2009-12-17 Thread David Flood
The other day I decided to go ahead and get the latest version of VMware Player to stop the there's a new version do you want to get it? prompt. Well, you now have to create a userid/password on their site in order to download the latest version and, while it has several improvements over

Re: [Xastir] Time to discard VMware as an option?

2009-12-17 Thread Tom Russo
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 07:57:25AM -0800, we recorded a bogon-computron collision of the davi...@mindspring.com flavor, containing: The other day I decided to go ahead and get the latest version of VMware Player to stop the there's a new version do you want to get it? prompt. Well, you now

Re: [Xastir] Time to discard VMware as an option?

2009-12-17 Thread Tim Billingsley
I use VBox non-OSE and it works very well and is very stable. On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Tom Russo ru...@bogodyn.org wrote: On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 07:57:25AM -0800, we recorded a bogon-computron collision of the davi...@mindspring.com flavor, containing: There's always Sun VirtualBox.

Re: [Xastir] Time to discard VMware as an option?

2009-12-17 Thread Ray Wells
Have a look at Virtual Box. You can download it from their website as a package for many Linux varieties.. I use it here to run WinXP Pro in a VB under Kubuntu 9.10. It's great. Ray vk2tv David Flood wrote: The other day I decided to go ahead and get the latest version of VMware Player to

Re: [Xastir] Time to discard VMware as an option?

2009-12-17 Thread Ray Wells
The OSE version is crippled but the package version from the VB website is not. You need to install Guest Additions and USB works fine. I use both memory stick and two USB printers. Ray vk2tv Tom Russo wrote: On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 07:57:25AM -0800, we recorded a bogon-computron collision

Re: [Xastir] Time to discard VMware as an option?

2009-12-17 Thread George Karayannis SV4LAX
Hi all, I have been using consistently VBox Puel (site download - not opensource) and it has served me nicely under ubuntu 8.10, 9.04 and now under 9.10. In amateur radio I use it to control via USB my Kenwood HF rigs with no issues at all and generically I do PC suites for phones and itunes sync