Re: [Xen-devel] RFC: xen config changes v4

2015-03-06 Thread Roger Pau Monné
El 06/03/15 a les 19.08, Luis R. Rodriguez ha escrit: > On Fri, Mar 06, 2015 at 01:02:03PM -0500, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk wrote: >> The distro is Red Hat. > > Why would Red Hat enable Linux Xen backend drivers without dom0? Driver domains? That's the only reason to have backends in a non-dom0 kerne

Re: [Xen-devel] RFC: xen config changes v4

2015-03-06 Thread Luis R. Rodriguez
On Fri, Mar 06, 2015 at 01:02:03PM -0500, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk wrote: > On Fri, Mar 06, 2015 at 09:17:36AM -0800, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: > > Hey Konrad, just a friendly reminder, the backend question for GPL > > kernels interests me specially in light of recent events. > > GPL kernels? Aren't a

Re: [Xen-devel] RFC: xen config changes v4

2015-03-06 Thread Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
On Fri, Mar 06, 2015 at 09:17:36AM -0800, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: > Hey Konrad, just a friendly reminder, the backend question for GPL > kernels interests me specially in light of recent events. GPL kernels? Aren't all Linux kernels GPL? > > On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Luis R. Rodriguez w

Re: [Xen-devel] RFC: xen config changes v4

2015-03-06 Thread Luis R. Rodriguez
Hey Konrad, just a friendly reminder, the backend question for GPL kernels interests me specially in light of recent events. On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: > On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk > wrote: >> There was another reason. Some distros remo

Re: [Xen-devel] RFC: xen config changes v4

2015-03-02 Thread Juergen Gross
On 03/02/2015 06:07 PM, Stefano Stabellini wrote: On Mon, 2 Mar 2015, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk wrote: I would prefer to hide it on PAE and x86_64. Okay, as long as it is still _possible_ somehow to configure it. That begs the question, all this just for 32-bit non-PAE ? There was another rea

Re: [Xen-devel] RFC: xen config changes v4

2015-03-02 Thread Luis R. Rodriguez
On Mon, Mar 02, 2015 at 12:30:02PM -0500, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk wrote: > On Mon, Mar 02, 2015 at 05:07:00PM +, Stefano Stabellini wrote: > > On Mon, 2 Mar 2015, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk wrote: > > > > > > >> I would prefer to hide it on PAE and x86_64. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oka

Re: [Xen-devel] RFC: xen config changes v4

2015-03-02 Thread Luis R. Rodriguez
On Mon, Mar 02, 2015 at 11:07:02AM -0500, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk wrote: > > > > >> I would prefer to hide it on PAE and x86_64. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, as long as it is still _possible_ somehow to configure it. > > > > > > > > That begs the question, all this just for 32-bit non-PAE ? >

Re: [Xen-devel] RFC: xen config changes v4

2015-03-02 Thread Luis R. Rodriguez
On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk wrote: > There was another reason. Some distros remove the CONFIG_XEN_DOM0 altogether > even thought they do enable the rest of the pieces (backends, frontends, etc). Interesting, what distros do this? Also when one does not have dom0 what o

Re: [Xen-devel] RFC: xen config changes v4

2015-03-02 Thread Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
On Mon, Mar 02, 2015 at 05:07:00PM +, Stefano Stabellini wrote: > On Mon, 2 Mar 2015, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk wrote: > > > > > >> I would prefer to hide it on PAE and x86_64. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, as long as it is still _possible_ somehow to configure it. > > > > > > > > > >

Re: [Xen-devel] RFC: xen config changes v4

2015-03-02 Thread Stefano Stabellini
On Mon, 2 Mar 2015, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk wrote: > > > > >> I would prefer to hide it on PAE and x86_64. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, as long as it is still _possible_ somehow to configure it. > > > > > > > > That begs the question, all this just for 32-bit non-PAE ? > > > > > > There was

Re: [Xen-devel] RFC: xen config changes v4

2015-03-02 Thread Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
> > > >> I would prefer to hide it on PAE and x86_64. > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, as long as it is still _possible_ somehow to configure it. > > > > > > That begs the question, all this just for 32-bit non-PAE ? > > > > There was another reason. Some distros remove the CONFIG_XEN_DOM0 altogethe

Re: [Xen-devel] RFC: xen config changes v4

2015-03-02 Thread Stefano Stabellini
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk wrote: > On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 09:53:46AM -0800, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 6:30 AM, Juergen Gross wrote: > > > On 02/27/2015 02:38 PM, Stefano Stabellini wrote: > > >> > > >> On Fri, 27 Feb 2015, Juergen Gross wrote: > > >>> >

Re: [Xen-devel] RFC: xen config changes v4

2015-02-27 Thread Luis R. Rodriguez
On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 07:14:32AM +0100, Juergen Gross wrote: > On 02/26/2015 07:48 PM, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: >> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 05:42:57PM +, Stefano Stabellini wrote: >>> On Thu, 26 Feb 2015, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:08:20AM +, Stefano Stabellin

Re: [Xen-devel] RFC: xen config changes v4

2015-02-27 Thread Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 09:53:46AM -0800, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: > On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 6:30 AM, Juergen Gross wrote: > > On 02/27/2015 02:38 PM, Stefano Stabellini wrote: > >> > >> On Fri, 27 Feb 2015, Juergen Gross wrote: > >>> > >>> On 02/27/2015 01:24 PM, Stefano Stabellini wrote: >

Re: [Xen-devel] RFC: xen config changes v4

2015-02-27 Thread Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
> > This is not meant to be a performance improvement. It is meant to enable > > a standard distro kernel configured without PARAVIRT to be able to run > > as a HVM guest using the pv-drivers. > > This is not a convincing explanation. Debian, Ubuntu and Fedora seems > to be able to cope with it

Re: [Xen-devel] RFC: xen config changes v4

2015-02-27 Thread Luis R. Rodriguez
On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 6:30 AM, Juergen Gross wrote: > On 02/27/2015 02:38 PM, Stefano Stabellini wrote: >> >> On Fri, 27 Feb 2015, Juergen Gross wrote: >>> >>> On 02/27/2015 01:24 PM, Stefano Stabellini wrote: On Fri, 27 Feb 2015, Juergen Gross wrote: > > On 02/27/2015 11:11 AM

Re: [Xen-devel] RFC: xen config changes v4

2015-02-27 Thread Juergen Gross
On 02/27/2015 02:38 PM, Stefano Stabellini wrote: On Fri, 27 Feb 2015, Juergen Gross wrote: On 02/27/2015 01:24 PM, Stefano Stabellini wrote: On Fri, 27 Feb 2015, Juergen Gross wrote: On 02/27/2015 11:11 AM, Stefano Stabellini wrote: On Fri, 27 Feb 2015, Juergen Gross wrote: On 02/27/2015 10

Re: [Xen-devel] RFC: xen config changes v4

2015-02-27 Thread Stefano Stabellini
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015, Juergen Gross wrote: > On 02/27/2015 01:24 PM, Stefano Stabellini wrote: > > On Fri, 27 Feb 2015, Juergen Gross wrote: > > > On 02/27/2015 11:11 AM, Stefano Stabellini wrote: > > > > On Fri, 27 Feb 2015, Juergen Gross wrote: > > > > > On 02/27/2015 10:41 AM, Stefano Stabellini

Re: [Xen-devel] RFC: xen config changes v4

2015-02-27 Thread Ian Campbell
On Fri, 2015-02-27 at 12:24 +, Stefano Stabellini wrote: > > Using PV frontends is completely orthogonal to other PV enhancements > > like PARAVIRT_CLOCK, HVMOP_pagetable_dying or PV IPIs. So why do you > > object enabling the PV frontends for those kernels? > > I am for it. I would like to a

Re: [Xen-devel] RFC: xen config changes v4

2015-02-27 Thread Juergen Gross
On 02/27/2015 01:24 PM, Stefano Stabellini wrote: On Fri, 27 Feb 2015, Juergen Gross wrote: On 02/27/2015 11:11 AM, Stefano Stabellini wrote: On Fri, 27 Feb 2015, Juergen Gross wrote: On 02/27/2015 10:41 AM, Stefano Stabellini wrote: On Fri, 27 Feb 2015, Juergen Gross wrote: On 02/26/2015 06

Re: [Xen-devel] RFC: xen config changes v4

2015-02-27 Thread Stefano Stabellini
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015, Juergen Gross wrote: > On 02/27/2015 11:11 AM, Stefano Stabellini wrote: > > On Fri, 27 Feb 2015, Juergen Gross wrote: > > > On 02/27/2015 10:41 AM, Stefano Stabellini wrote: > > > > On Fri, 27 Feb 2015, Juergen Gross wrote: > > > > > On 02/26/2015 06:42 PM, Stefano Stabellini

Re: [Xen-devel] RFC: xen config changes v4

2015-02-27 Thread Juergen Gross
On 02/27/2015 11:11 AM, Stefano Stabellini wrote: On Fri, 27 Feb 2015, Juergen Gross wrote: On 02/27/2015 10:41 AM, Stefano Stabellini wrote: On Fri, 27 Feb 2015, Juergen Gross wrote: On 02/26/2015 06:42 PM, Stefano Stabellini wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2015, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: On Thu, Feb

Re: [Xen-devel] RFC: xen config changes v4

2015-02-27 Thread Stefano Stabellini
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015, Ian Campbell wrote: > On Fri, 2015-02-27 at 10:11 +, Stefano Stabellini wrote: > > (for some reason I initially thought this was in reply to my mail, so > it's written in a way which assumes that, so sprinkle IMHO around the > place and/or take it as a follow on to my prev

Re: [Xen-devel] RFC: xen config changes v4

2015-02-27 Thread Ian Campbell
On Fri, 2015-02-27 at 10:11 +, Stefano Stabellini wrote: (for some reason I initially thought this was in reply to my mail, so it's written in a way which assumes that, so sprinkle IMHO around the place and/or take it as a follow on to my previous mail in this thread, I guess) > This is not a

Re: [Xen-devel] RFC: xen config changes v4

2015-02-27 Thread Stefano Stabellini
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015, Juergen Gross wrote: > On 02/27/2015 10:41 AM, Stefano Stabellini wrote: > > On Fri, 27 Feb 2015, Juergen Gross wrote: > > > On 02/26/2015 06:42 PM, Stefano Stabellini wrote: > > > > On Thu, 26 Feb 2015, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:08:20AM +000

Re: [Xen-devel] RFC: xen config changes v4

2015-02-27 Thread Ian Campbell
On Thu, 2015-02-26 at 19:48 +0100, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: > On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 05:42:57PM +, Stefano Stabellini wrote: > > On Thu, 26 Feb 2015, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: > > > On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:08:20AM +, Stefano Stabellini wrote: > > > > On Thu, 26 Feb 2015, David Vrabel wro

Re: [Xen-devel] RFC: xen config changes v4

2015-02-27 Thread Juergen Gross
On 02/27/2015 10:41 AM, Stefano Stabellini wrote: On Fri, 27 Feb 2015, Juergen Gross wrote: On 02/26/2015 06:42 PM, Stefano Stabellini wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2015, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:08:20AM +, Stefano Stabellini wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2015, David Vrabel wro

Re: [Xen-devel] RFC: xen config changes v4

2015-02-27 Thread Stefano Stabellini
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015, Juergen Gross wrote: > On 02/26/2015 06:42 PM, Stefano Stabellini wrote: > > On Thu, 26 Feb 2015, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: > > > On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:08:20AM +, Stefano Stabellini wrote: > > > > On Thu, 26 Feb 2015, David Vrabel wrote: > > > > > On 26/02/15 04:59, Jue

Re: [Xen-devel] RFC: xen config changes v4

2015-02-26 Thread Juergen Gross
On 02/26/2015 07:48 PM, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 05:42:57PM +, Stefano Stabellini wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2015, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:08:20AM +, Stefano Stabellini wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2015, David Vrabel wrote: On 26/02/15 04:59, Ju

Re: [Xen-devel] RFC: xen config changes v4

2015-02-26 Thread Juergen Gross
On 02/26/2015 06:42 PM, Stefano Stabellini wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2015, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:08:20AM +, Stefano Stabellini wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2015, David Vrabel wrote: On 26/02/15 04:59, Juergen Gross wrote: So we are again in the situation that pv-driver

Re: [Xen-devel] RFC: xen config changes v4

2015-02-26 Thread Luis R. Rodriguez
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 05:42:57PM +, Stefano Stabellini wrote: > On Thu, 26 Feb 2015, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:08:20AM +, Stefano Stabellini wrote: > > > On Thu, 26 Feb 2015, David Vrabel wrote: > > > > On 26/02/15 04:59, Juergen Gross wrote: > > > > > > > >

Re: [Xen-devel] RFC: xen config changes v4

2015-02-26 Thread Stefano Stabellini
On Thu, 26 Feb 2015, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: > On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:08:20AM +, Stefano Stabellini wrote: > > On Thu, 26 Feb 2015, David Vrabel wrote: > > > On 26/02/15 04:59, Juergen Gross wrote: > > > > > > > > So we are again in the situation that pv-drivers always imply the pvops > >

Re: [Xen-devel] RFC: xen config changes v4

2015-02-26 Thread Luis R. Rodriguez
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:08:20AM +, Stefano Stabellini wrote: > On Thu, 26 Feb 2015, David Vrabel wrote: > > On 26/02/15 04:59, Juergen Gross wrote: > > > > > > So we are again in the situation that pv-drivers always imply the pvops > > > kernel (PARAVIRT selected). I started the whole Kconf

Re: [Xen-devel] RFC: xen config changes v4

2015-02-26 Thread David Vrabel
On 26/02/15 04:59, Juergen Gross wrote: > > So we are again in the situation that pv-drivers always imply the pvops > kernel (PARAVIRT selected). I started the whole Kconfig rework to > eliminate this dependency. Yes. Can you produce a series that just addresses this one issue. In the absence o

Re: [Xen-devel] RFC: xen config changes v4

2015-02-26 Thread Stefano Stabellini
On Thu, 26 Feb 2015, David Vrabel wrote: > On 26/02/15 04:59, Juergen Gross wrote: > > > > So we are again in the situation that pv-drivers always imply the pvops > > kernel (PARAVIRT selected). I started the whole Kconfig rework to > > eliminate this dependency. > > Yes. Can you produce a serie

Re: [Xen-devel] RFC: xen config changes v4

2015-02-25 Thread Juergen Gross
On 02/26/2015 02:53 AM, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote: OK here's the state of affairs after some further discussion on some v3 patch RFC changes and issues I've found after trying to build front end drivers without CONFIG_XEN. Option Selects Depends ---

[Xen-devel] RFC: xen config changes v4

2015-02-25 Thread Luis R. Rodriguez
OK here's the state of affairs after some further discussion on some v3 patch RFC changes and issues I've found after trying to build front end drivers without CONFIG_XEN. Option Selects Depends --