Re: [Xen-devel] Earlier embargoed pre-disclosure without patches

2015-05-30 Thread Major Hayden
On 05/27/2015 12:47 PM, Lars Kurth wrote: ... 4. Advisory pre-release: This occurs only if the advisory is embargoed (ie, the problem is not already public): As soon as our advisory is available, we will send it, including patches, to members of the Xen security pre-disclosure list.

Re: [Xen-devel] Earlier embargoed pre-disclosure without patches

2015-05-27 Thread Ian Campbell
(Just adding Lars so he is aware and can run the formal vote once we have consensus on a proposal for new text) On Tue, 2015-05-26 at 15:38 +, Major Hayden wrote: On 05/26/2015 07:15 AM, Stefano Stabellini wrote: On Fri, 22 May 2015, Major Hayden wrote: On 05/22/2015 09:04 AM, Jan

Re: [Xen-devel] Earlier embargoed pre-disclosure without patches

2015-05-27 Thread Don Slutz
On 05/26/15 16:34, Major Hayden wrote: On 05/26/2015 11:50 AM, Stefano Stabellini wrote: I would go for: In the event that public disclosure is less than 15 days away, we will send a draft with information about the vulnerability to the pre-disclosure list as soon as possible, even if

Re: [Xen-devel] Earlier embargoed pre-disclosure without patches

2015-05-27 Thread Lars Kurth
On 26 May 2015, at 17:34, Stefano Stabellini stefano.stabell...@eu.citrix.com wrote: Thanks for the help, folks. I've tossed a proposed security policy change into a Github gist[1]. My proposal is to add this paragraph to the Embargo and disclosure schedule section of the Xen

Re: [Xen-devel] Earlier embargoed pre-disclosure without patches

2015-05-26 Thread Stefano Stabellini
On Fri, 22 May 2015, Major Hayden wrote: On 05/22/2015 09:04 AM, Jan Beulich wrote: If you were to ask for this only if the time gap until embargo expiry was less than the default of two weeks, maybe I would buy this. I'm good with that as well. I think we're saying: if

Re: [Xen-devel] Earlier embargoed pre-disclosure without patches

2015-05-26 Thread Major Hayden
On 05/26/2015 07:15 AM, Stefano Stabellini wrote: On Fri, 22 May 2015, Major Hayden wrote: On 05/22/2015 09:04 AM, Jan Beulich wrote: If you were to ask for this only if the time gap until embargo expiry was less than the default of two weeks, maybe I would buy this. I'm good with

Re: [Xen-devel] Earlier embargoed pre-disclosure without patches

2015-05-26 Thread Major Hayden
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 05/26/2015 11:50 AM, Stefano Stabellini wrote: I would go for: In the event that public disclosure is less than 15 days away, we will send a draft with information about the vulnerability to the pre-disclosure list as soon as possible, even

Re: [Xen-devel] Earlier embargoed pre-disclosure without patches

2015-05-26 Thread Stefano Stabellini
On Tue, 26 May 2015, Major Hayden wrote: On 05/26/2015 07:15 AM, Stefano Stabellini wrote: On Fri, 22 May 2015, Major Hayden wrote: On 05/22/2015 09:04 AM, Jan Beulich wrote: If you were to ask for this only if the time gap until embargo expiry was less than the default of two weeks,

Re: [Xen-devel] Earlier embargoed pre-disclosure without patches

2015-05-22 Thread Jan Beulich
On 21.05.15 at 15:03, major.hay...@rackspace.com wrote: Would it be possible to send out a pre-disclosure notice as soon as permission is granted from the discoverer and the vulnerability is verified as valid? In other words, could a pre-disclosure email be sent to parties on the

Re: [Xen-devel] Earlier embargoed pre-disclosure without patches

2015-05-22 Thread Major Hayden
On 05/22/2015 02:40 AM, Jan Beulich wrote: I realize this is being written under the impression of XSA-133, where the usual 2 week window between pre-disclosure and public disclosure was (almost) missing. But that's an exception, not the rule. Are you saying that the usual 2 week advance

Re: [Xen-devel] Earlier embargoed pre-disclosure without patches

2015-05-22 Thread Jan Beulich
On 22.05.15 at 15:14, major.hay...@rackspace.com wrote: My request is that the Xen security team would send a pre-disclosure notice of the vulnerability as soon as permission from the discoverer is granted *even if* patches aren't available. For example, I'd like to receive a notice

Re: [Xen-devel] Earlier embargoed pre-disclosure without patches

2015-05-22 Thread Major Hayden
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 05/22/2015 09:04 AM, Jan Beulich wrote: If you were to ask for this only if the time gap until embargo expiry was less than the default of two weeks, maybe I would buy this. I'm good with that as well. I think we're saying: if