Re: [XeTeX] The future of XeTeX

2012-08-08 Thread Paul Isambert
Ulrike Fischer ne...@nililand.de a écrit: Am Tue, 7 Aug 2012 08:51:41 +0200 schrieb Paul Isambert: But there are also political issues: LuaTeX is developed by a team focusing on ConTeXt. LaTeX users will always be neglected, at least that is the feeling I have (Taco is very kind and

Re: [XeTeX] The future of XeTeX

2012-08-08 Thread Zdenek Wagner
2012/8/8 Paul Isambert zappathus...@free.fr: Ulrike Fischer ne...@nililand.de a écrit: ... LaTeX (and the other formats) were neglected because the development of a vital part of the luatex-project - the open type font loader - has not be developed in a format independant way. It has been,

Re: [XeTeX] The future of XeTeX

2012-08-08 Thread Ulrike Fischer
Am Wed, 8 Aug 2012 09:52:25 +0200 schrieb Paul Isambert: I personally don't care much *how* e.g. open type fonts are handled. The typesetting engine can use an external library, lua-files, or some library included in the binary. I care only *if* the core engine itself, the part advertised on

Re: [XeTeX] The future of XeTeX

2012-08-08 Thread Zdenek Wagner
2012/8/8 Ulrike Fischer ne...@nililand.de: Am Wed, 8 Aug 2012 09:52:25 +0200 schrieb Paul Isambert: I personally don't care much *how* e.g. open type fonts are handled. The typesetting engine can use an external library, lua-files, or some library included in the binary. I care only *if* the

Re: [XeTeX] The future of XeTeX

2012-08-08 Thread Martin Schröder
2012/8/8 Ulrike Fischer ne...@nililand.de: Two years ago I would have said this too. But now I doubt it. Opentype fonts are much more complicated that some expandafters or the latex output routine. Also - more importantly - I see none of the needed discussion going on. That discussion is not

Re: [XeTeX] The future of XeTeX

2012-08-08 Thread Paul Isambert
Ulrike Fischer ne...@nililand.de a écrit: Am Wed, 8 Aug 2012 09:52:25 +0200 schrieb Paul Isambert: I personally don't care much *how* e.g. open type fonts are handled. The typesetting engine can use an external library, lua-files, or some library included in the binary. I care only

Re: [XeTeX] The future of XeTeX

2012-08-08 Thread Ulrike Fischer
Am Wed, 8 Aug 2012 17:09:26 +0200 schrieb Zdenek Wagner: I don't ask that a font loader should be included in the binary. A lua package which you can use in the font callback is fine. It is also okay if you need to adapt a configuration file before use e.g. to get it working with your

Re: [XeTeX] The future of XeTeX

2012-08-08 Thread Philip TAYLOR
Paul Isambert wrote: Ulrike Fischer ne...@nililand.de a écrit: Sorry, but can you imagine that a typesetting engine can thrive which must say on its webpage I'm a wonderful tex engine based on unicode but if you want to use open type fonts you will have to write or adapt a lot of