Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX maintenance

2015-04-27 Thread Zdenek Wagner
Hi all, if you use para indentation=none looseness=1Something.../para you are not using XML properly. The purpose of XML is to describe the structure of a document, not its appearance. Generally you will print the information from the XML file in a different order or you will print just a part of

Re: [XeTeX] Kannada TeX package

2015-04-27 Thread Mojca Miklavec
Dear Shivashankar, I'm moving the answer to the mailing list where other people will be able to help you better than I can (please CC him). On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Shiva Shankar wrote: Hi Mojca, My name is Shivashankar and I am from Srirangapatna, Karnataka, India. I wanted to

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX maintenance

2015-04-27 Thread Philip Taylor
Joseph Wright wrote: On 27/04/2015 07:35, Philip Taylor wrote: Going even further off-topic, but pursuing this one aspect of the thread, is there not only real one problem : the need to educate users to cease marking up their documents in raw (La)TeX syntax, and instead to express them in

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX maintenance

2015-04-27 Thread Martin Schröder
2015-04-27 16:40 GMT+02:00 Apostolos Syropoulos asyropou...@yahoo.com: Many consider that JSON will eventually replace XML. Only if JSON gets schemes. http://json-schema.org/ exists, but is not widely used. Best Martin -- Subscriptions,

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX maintenance

2015-04-27 Thread Philip Taylor
Joseph Wright wrote: Somewhat away from the original topic, but it strikes me that building a tagged PDF is going to be much more problematic at the macro layer than at the engine level: is that fair? Deciding what elements of a document are 'structure' is hard, and in 'real' documents it's

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX maintenance

2015-04-27 Thread Joseph Wright
On 27/04/2015 00:22, Ross Moore wrote: But of course that doesn't address the problem for LaTeXt users until someone writes a suitable/comparable package (maybe someone did already, I didn't try to follow). I have coding for much of what is needed, using the modified pdfTeX. But there is a

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX maintenance

2015-04-27 Thread Joseph Wright
On 27/04/2015 08:43, Ross Moore wrote: Hi Joseph, On 27/04/2015, at 4:19 PM, Joseph Wright wrote: On 27/04/2015 00:22, Ross Moore wrote: But of course that doesn't address the problem for LaTeXt users until someone writes a suitable/comparable package (maybe someone did already, I didn't

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX maintenance

2015-04-27 Thread Joseph Wright
On 27/04/2015 07:35, Philip Taylor wrote: Going even further off-topic, but pursuing this one aspect of the thread, is there not only real one problem : the need to educate users to cease marking up their documents in raw (La)TeX syntax, and instead to express them in well-formed XML ? I

Re: [XeTeX] Fwd: [tex-live] XeTeX or xdvipdfmx Broken on Mac

2015-04-27 Thread Jiang Jiang
Hi Simon, On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 5:57 AM, Simon Cozens si...@simon-cozens.org wrote: On 26/04/2015 23:18, Zdenek Wagner wrote: I pushed a fix in r37053, both ITF Devanagari and Kohinoor Devanagari works for me now. I'm still seeing problems with Kohinoor Devanagari, even after the two

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX maintenance

2015-04-27 Thread Ross Moore
Hi Joseph, On 27/04/2015, at 4:19 PM, Joseph Wright wrote: On 27/04/2015 00:22, Ross Moore wrote: But of course that doesn't address the problem for LaTeXt users until someone writes a suitable/comparable package (maybe someone did already, I didn't try to follow). I have coding for much

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX maintenance

2015-04-27 Thread Joseph Wright
On 27/04/2015 01:05, Douglas McKenna wrote: Joseph Wright wrote: \def\{0}\expandafter\def\csname^00022\endcsname{1} \ifnum\=0 \message{tex82}\else\message{newstuff}\fi When I implemented a Unicode escape sequence extension using double-caret notation in the JSBox TeX-language

Re: [XeTeX] Future *TeX [was: XeTeX maintenance]

2015-04-27 Thread Karljurgen Feuerherm
Hello Simon, Thanks very much for this detailed information. Obviously (for now) there is plenty there that I don’t get, terminology-wise, but no surprise. I’ll keep this handy and work on it as I can. I never really worked with C (I was a B programmer back in the day) and am now working on

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX maintenance

2015-04-27 Thread Simon Cozens
On 27/04/2015 19:39, Philip Taylor wrote: As to whether XML is a particularly good format not only here or for anything, all I can say is that in my experience we (humanity, that is) have not yet come up with anything better; LaTeX 2e, by explicitly permitting the conflation of form and

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX maintenance

2015-04-27 Thread Philip Taylor
Zdenek Wagner wrote: If you want to describe the page layout in a structured way, the page ... /page markup might cause other mark up not well formed. Of course, if the XML is for your own purpose, you can do anything. Even if it is not suggested by XML experts, it may be helpful. And if

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX maintenance

2015-04-27 Thread Zdenek Wagner
2015-04-27 15:00 GMT+02:00 Philip Taylor p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk: Zdenek Wagner wrote: If you want to describe the page layout in a structured way, the page ... /page markup might cause other mark up not well formed. Of course, if the XML is for your own purpose, you can do anything. Even

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX maintenance

2015-04-27 Thread Philip Taylor
Zdenek Wagner wrote: Formatting advices should better be present in processing instructions. You can type ?TeX something? ?HTML something else ? etc. Why do you write better, Zdeněk ? They /can/ be expressed as processing instructions, but that would require an augmented parser; they can

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX maintenance

2015-04-27 Thread Zdenek Wagner
2015-04-27 13:57 GMT+02:00 Philip Taylor p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk: Zdenek Wagner wrote: Formatting advices should better be present in processing instructions. You can type ?TeX something? ?HTML something else ? etc. Why do you write better, Zdeněk ? They /can/ be expressed as processing

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX maintenance

2015-04-27 Thread Philip Taylor
Zdenek Wagner wrote: if you use para indentation=none looseness=1Something.../para you are not using XML properly. The purpose of XML is to describe the structure of a document, not its appearance. Yes, the element describes the structure; attributes such as those you quote in the example

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX maintenance

2015-04-27 Thread Zdenek Wagner
2015-04-27 13:27 GMT+02:00 Philip Taylor p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk: Zdenek Wagner wrote: if you use para indentation=none looseness=1Something.../para you are not using XML properly. The purpose of XML is to describe the structure of a document, not its appearance. Yes, the element

Re: [XeTeX] Kannada TeX package

2015-04-27 Thread Zdenek Wagner
Dear Shivashankar, I do not know Kannada, I even do not know other scripts, I know only Devanagari and I think that the problems will be similar. Hyphenation in Unicode aware engines is quite simple, if you have the patterns. TeX hyphenates words and a word is defined as a sequence of characters

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX maintenance

2015-04-27 Thread Apostolos Syropoulos
As to whether XML is a particularly good format not only here or for anything, all I can say is that in my experience we (humanity, that is) have not yet come up with anything better; LaTeX 2e, by explicitly permitting the conflation of form and content, fails abysmally in this respect

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX maintenance

2015-04-27 Thread Douglas McKenna
Ross Moore wrote - On 27/04/2015, at 10:05 AM, Douglas McKenna wrote: Given that the number of TeX input files using ^^u is likely miniscule, and the number of those that follow the ^^u or ^^U with four or six hex digits is even smaller, it seemed like a worthwhile benefit vs. cost,

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX maintenance

2015-04-27 Thread David Carlisle
On 27 April 2015 at 01:05, Douglas McKenna d...@mathemaesthetics.com wrote: Joseph Wright wrote: \def\{0}\expandafter\def\csname^00022\endcsname{1} \ifnum\=0 \message{tex82}\else\message{newstuff}\fi When I implemented a Unicode escape sequence extension using double-caret notation

Re: [XeTeX] Kannada TeX package

2015-04-27 Thread Shiva Shankar
Thank you sir. Now I will start working on that. Thanks a lot once again. On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 5:02 PM, Zdenek Wagner zdenek.wag...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Shivashankar, I do not know Kannada, I even do not know other scripts, I know only Devanagari and I think that the problems will be

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX maintenance

2015-04-27 Thread Douglas McKenna
David Carlisle wrote - Introducing incompatible syntax for functionality shared across Unicode TeX extensions is a major headache for package authors. Please don't use this syntax! Understood. That isn't at all clear, I don't see any evidence that the equivalent #; notation in XML

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX maintenance

2015-04-27 Thread David Carlisle
On 27 April 2015 at 23:41, Douglas McKenna d...@mathemaesthetics.com wrote: Ross Moore wrote - On 27/04/2015, at 10:05 AM, Douglas McKenna wrote: Given that the number of TeX input files using ^^u is likely miniscule, and the number of those that follow the ^^u or ^^U with four or six

Re: [XeTeX] XeTeX maintenance

2015-04-27 Thread Ross Moore
Hi all, On 28/04/2015, at 0:40, Apostolos Syropoulos asyropou...@yahoo.com wrote: As to whether XML is a particularly good format not only here or for anything, all I can say is that in my experience we (humanity, that is) have not yet come up with anything better; LaTeX 2e, by explicitly