Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] Future state of XeTeX in TeXLive

2011-10-30 Thread BPJ
On 2011-10-28 21:02, Zdenek Wagner wrote: 2011/10/28msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca: On Fri, 28 Oct 2011, William Adams wrote: majority of documents are created using GUI tools. What use cases are better served by batch mode, and in what cases is TeX used by default because of available GUI tools

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] Future state of XeTeX in TeXLive

2011-10-29 Thread Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)
Mu EUR 0,02 : Chris Travers wrote: A couple things I'd point out. TeX makes it possible to create beautiful books. LaTeX makes it possible to create beautiful books easily. but encourages users to create ugly ones. Why do I say this ? Well, a user wishing to typeset a book using TeX has

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] Future state of XeTeX in TeXLive

2011-10-29 Thread Chris Travers
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 1:57 AM, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk wrote: Mu EUR 0,02 : Chris Travers wrote: A couple things I'd point out.  TeX makes it possible to create beautiful books.  LaTeX makes it possible to create beautiful books easily. but encourages users

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] Future state of XeTeX in TeXLive

2011-10-29 Thread Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)
Chris Travers wrote: I think you are assuming a lot about knowledge of book design. The LaTeX styles out of the box are a bit formal. I think the margins are too wide, and I prefer different fonts But I would hardly call them ugly ... OK. one quote from my 1993 paper Book Design for

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] Future state of XeTeX in TeXLive

2011-10-29 Thread George N. White III
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 5:57 AM, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk wrote: Mu EUR 0,02 : Chris Travers wrote: A couple things I'd point out.  TeX makes it possible to create beautiful books.  LaTeX makes it possible to create beautiful books easily. but encourages users

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] Future state of XeTeX in TeXLive

2011-10-29 Thread Zdenek Wagner
2011/10/29 Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk: Chris Travers wrote: I think you are assuming a lot about knowledge of book design. The LaTeX styles out of the box are a bit formal. I think the margins are too wide, and I prefer different fonts But I would hardly

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] Future state of XeTeX in TeXLive

2011-10-28 Thread William Adams
On Oct 28, 2011, at 9:00 AM, Dominik Wujastyk wrote: Personally, I would not mind if XeTeX went into maintenance mode. I like such stability. It already has a great deal of functionality, probably enough to last me the rest of my writing career. I do take Vafa's point, though, that if

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] Future state of XeTeX in TeXLive

2011-10-28 Thread George N. White III
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 11:00 AM, William Adams will.ad...@frycomm.com wrote: On Oct 28, 2011, at 9:00 AM, Dominik Wujastyk wrote: Personally, I would not mind if XeTeX went into maintenance mode.  I like such stability.  It already has a great deal of functionality, probably enough to last

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] Future state of XeTeX in TeXLive

2011-10-28 Thread William Adams
On Oct 28, 2011, at 12:54 PM, George N. White III wrote: 0. Why is Tex still necessary? My impression is that Knuth hoped to see his work used in more creative ways than TeX distros. Well, that's why LuaTeX is being developed, and the thought behind the development of ANT (though I haven't

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] Future state of XeTeX in TeXLive

2011-10-28 Thread mskala
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011, William Adams wrote: majority of documents are created using GUI tools. What use cases are better served by batch mode, and in what cases is TeX used by default because of available GUI tools refuse to play. Large database publications. Variable data printing. Also,

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] Future state of XeTeX in TeXLive

2011-10-28 Thread Zdenek Wagner
2011/10/28 msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca: On Fri, 28 Oct 2011, William Adams wrote: majority of documents are created using GUI tools.   What use cases are better served by batch mode, and in what cases is TeX used by default because of available GUI tools refuse to play. Large database

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] Future state of XeTeX in TeXLive

2011-10-28 Thread maxwell
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011, William Adams wrote: majority of documents are created using GUI tools. What use cases are better served by batch mode, and in what cases is TeX used by default because of available GUI tools refuse to play. We have a process that starts with DocBook (XML) and gets

Re: [XeTeX] [tex-live] Future state of XeTeX in TeXLive

2011-10-28 Thread Zdenek Wagner
2011/10/28 maxwell maxw...@umiacs.umd.edu: On Fri, 28 Oct 2011, William Adams wrote: majority of documents are created using GUI tools.   What use cases are better served by batch mode, and in what cases is TeX used by default because of available GUI tools refuse to play. We have a process