Re: [XeTeX] How to manually create the xelatex.fmt?

2011-10-19 Thread Ulrike Fischer
Am Tue, 18 Oct 2011 07:39:06 -0700 schrieb Chris Travers: So the limit is five years (but only for the latex kernel). The version date of my (current) latex.ltx ist \edef\fmtversion{2011/06/27} Or is XeTeX not intended to be used in these environments? I would say that if your latex is

Re: [XeTeX] How to manually create the xelatex.fmt?

2011-10-19 Thread Zdenek Wagner
2011/10/19 Ulrike Fischer ne...@nililand.de: Am Tue, 18 Oct 2011 07:39:06 -0700 schrieb Chris Travers: So the limit is five years (but only for the latex kernel). The version date of my (current) latex.ltx ist \edef\fmtversion{2011/06/27} Or is XeTeX not intended to be used in these

Re: [XeTeX] How to manually create the xelatex.fmt?

2011-10-19 Thread Chris Travers
A few thoughts here as to where I think solutions lie. On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 12:53 AM, Ulrike Fischer ne...@nililand.de wrote: The problem is that there seems to a mounting number on Linux users which are reluctant to install software without using there package manager. And there seems to

Re: [XeTeX] How to manually create the xelatex.fmt?

2011-10-19 Thread Ulrike Fischer
Am Wed, 19 Oct 2011 03:19:48 -0700 schrieb Chris Travers: And obviously this puts a lot us in bad positions. If RHEL 6 (released about a year ago) is sticking to TeXLive 2007, we all have problems. The question is what the community can reasonably do, and what developers can be expected to

Re: [XeTeX] How to manually create the xelatex.fmt?

2011-10-19 Thread Chris Travers
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 4:45 AM, Ulrike Fischer ne...@nililand.de wrote: Well I'm a windows user so actually I'm not really affected. But imho the linux distros should rethink their installation methods and installation advices. It is absurd that 10 or more distros invest a lot of main power

Re: [XeTeX] How to manually create the xelatex.fmt?

2011-10-19 Thread Ulrike Fischer
Am Wed, 19 Oct 2011 05:59:16 -0700 schrieb Chris Travers: This matches my needs very well. If my clients are running accounting systems, the last thing I want is an upgrade of TexLive to break their ability to generate invoices. Normally you get more problems if you can't update ;-) If

Re: [XeTeX] How to manually create the xelatex.fmt?

2011-10-19 Thread Peter Dyballa
Am 19.10.2011 um 12:19 schrieb Chris Travers: If RHEL 6 (released about a year ago) is sticking to TeXLive 2007, we all have problems. The only problem is that of understanding. It's like the fifth wheel or the tool to change wheels that come with new car. They're not really usable,

Re: [XeTeX] How to manually create the xelatex.fmt?

2011-10-19 Thread Chris Travers
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 6:20 AM, Ulrike Fischer ne...@nililand.de wrote: Am Wed, 19 Oct 2011 05:59:16 -0700 schrieb Chris Travers: This matches my needs very well.  If my clients are running accounting systems, the last thing I want is an upgrade of TexLive to break their ability to generate

Re: [XeTeX] How to manually create the xelatex.fmt?

2011-10-19 Thread Zdenek Wagner
2011/10/19 Chris Travers chris.trav...@gmail.com: On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 4:45 AM, Ulrike Fischer ne...@nililand.de wrote: Well I'm a windows user so actually I'm not really affected. But imho the linux distros should rethink their installation methods and installation advices. It is absurd

Re: [XeTeX] How to manually create the xelatex.fmt?

2011-10-19 Thread Joseph Wright
On 19/10/2011 14:53, Chris Travers wrote: You get more problems with things suddenly and unexpectedly breaking if you don't change them? On what theory? At least if you don't include deliberate breakage of programs over a certain age.. The 'expiry date' in LaTeX2e was there for good

Re: [XeTeX] How to manually create the xelatex.fmt?

2011-10-19 Thread Chris Travers
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 6:10 AM, Peter Dyballa peter_dyba...@web.de wrote: Am 19.10.2011 um 12:19 schrieb Chris Travers: If RHEL 6 (released about a year ago) is sticking to TeXLive 2007, we all have problems. The only problem is that of understanding. It's like the fifth wheel or the

Re: [XeTeX] How to manually create the xelatex.fmt?

2011-10-19 Thread Zdenek Wagner
2011/10/19 Chris Travers chris.trav...@gmail.com: On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 6:20 AM, Ulrike Fischer ne...@nililand.de wrote: Am Wed, 19 Oct 2011 05:59:16 -0700 schrieb Chris Travers: This matches my needs very well.  If my clients are running accounting systems, the last thing I want is an

Re: [XeTeX] How to manually create the xelatex.fmt?

2011-10-19 Thread Chris Travers
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 7:13 AM, Chris Travers chris.trav...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 7:09 AM, Joseph Wright joseph.wri...@morningstar2.co.uk wrote: The 'expiry date' in LaTeX2e was there for good reasons, and reflected a desire to avoid buggy and out-of-date software

Re: [XeTeX] How to manually create the xelatex.fmt?

2011-10-19 Thread Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)
Chris Travers wrote: xetex -ini -jobname=xelatex -progname=xelatex -etex xelatex.ini I asked Vafa, there was no reply. I will now ask you, Chris : What does this accomplish that xetex -ini -etex xelatex.ini does not ? Philip Taylor --

Re: [XeTeX] How to manually create the xelatex.fmt?

2011-10-19 Thread Herbert Schulz
On Oct 19, 2011, at 9:09 AM, Chris Travers wrote: ... I think stable in terms of you can safely use this to render your documents and stable in terms of no unnecessary changed so we know the software using this clearly and predictably works every time are different senses of the word

Re: [XeTeX] How to manually create the xelatex.fmt?

2011-10-19 Thread Ulrike Fischer
Am Wed, 19 Oct 2011 07:15:56 -0700 schrieb Chris Travers: Just for the record, my workaround is: cd to appropriate directory in /usr/var/texmf/ xetex -ini -jobname=xelatex -progname=xelatex -etex xelatex.ini I can document it. It will do the job. Hm. I don't understand how this can

Re: [XeTeX] How to manually create the xelatex.fmt?

2011-10-19 Thread Peter Dyballa
Am 19.10.2011 um 16:09 schrieb Chris Travers: However, it seems to me that this community here doesn't really care about the kinds of environments where this sort of document processing occurs. Or this community knows how to get back to functioning state. Or uses test or development areas

Re: [XeTeX] How to manually create the xelatex.fmt?

2011-10-19 Thread Peter Dyballa
Am 19.10.2011 um 16:21 schrieb Herbert Schulz: I don't think packages in updated TeX Live installations are changed arbitrarily but rather in response to bug fixes that others, and possibly not all users, have observed. Indeed! Usually new (possibly bugful) features enter stage when a new

Re: [XeTeX] How to manually create the xelatex.fmt?

2011-10-19 Thread Richard Koch
Peter, I sort of resent this message, since a) To uninstall TeX Live, use the Finder’s GO menu, go to /usr/local/texlive/2011 and drag it to the trash, inputting your admin password when asked b) As I have said countless times, MacTeX installs TeX Live. Pure

Re: [XeTeX] ascii to unicode map for Hebrew

2011-10-19 Thread Nathan Sidoli
Yes, they have a mapping for their legacy Hebrew fonts, but I was hoping to find a mapping for the ascii input used by hebtex, or arabtex. I am not a scholar of Hebrew, so I would not be the right person to write such a map file. Nathan On 11/10/18 5:48, Andy Lin wrote: An easy way is

Re: [XeTeX] Polyglossia update

2011-10-19 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 02:23:29PM -0500, Neal Delmonico wrote: One thing still bothers me about that whole affair. I am working on several books involving Sanskrit and English and requiring hyphenation in both. None of the other books had

Re: [XeTeX] traditional to simplified Chinese character conversion utility or data base

2011-10-19 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 05:49:28AM +0800, Daniel Greenhoe wrote: Does anyone know of any data base with a traditional to simplified character mapping such that I could maybe write the utility myself? Unicode has that in the Unihan database: look up

Re: [XeTeX] How to manually create the xelatex.fmt?

2011-10-19 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
Hm. I don't understand how this can be a general usable work-around. What actually is the appropriate directory here? Do you have a newer/local version of latex.ltx in this directory? Actually, if you look at a latex.ltx that has that check (the one from stock TeX Live 2011 still has code

Re: [XeTeX] How to manually create the xelatex.fmt?

2011-10-19 Thread Zdenek Wagner
2011/10/19 Arthur Reutenauer arthur.reutena...@normalesup.org: Hm. I don't understand how this can be a general usable work-around. What actually is the appropriate directory here? Do you have a newer/local version of latex.ltx in this directory?  Actually, if you look at a latex.ltx that has

Re: [XeTeX] How to manually create the xelatex.fmt?

2011-10-19 Thread Richard Koch
Peter Dyballa, I replied to Will Adam's comment as soon as I read it, apologizing to you. Then I incorrectly the reply to Will rather than to the list. I'm not going to reply to (or even read) mailing lists the rest of today. Dick Koch On Oct 19, 2011, at 8:35 AM, Richard Koch wrote: Peter,

Re: [XeTeX] traditional to simplified Chinese character conversion utility or data base

2011-10-19 Thread Daniel Greenhoe
Hi Arthur, On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 1:02 AM, Arthur Reutenauer arthur.reutena...@normalesup.org wrote: Unicode has that in the Unihan database: look up Unihan_Variants.txt in Unihan.zip (latest version http://www.unicode.org/Public/6.1.0/ucd/Unihan-6.1.0d1.zip ) It looks like I can extract