Re: [XeTeX] Incorrect rendering of Vedic Sanskrit accents

2015-05-24 Thread David M. Jones
Thank you! Yes, that does explain almost everything. I'm pretty sure I read that section, but I obviously completely failed to understood it, possibly because I didn't understand that svara didn't refer to vowels. (Ghu only knows what I made of the passage.) There's still the problem of the

Re: [XeTeX] Incorrect rendering of Vedic Sanskrit accents

2015-05-23 Thread ShreeDevi Kumar
​Please see http://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode7.0.0/ch12.pdf Page 443 and 444 Rule R10 Modifier Mark Rules. In addition to vowel signs, three other types of combining marks may be applied to a component of an orthographic syllable or to the syllable as a whole: nukta, bindus, and svaras.

Re: [XeTeX] Incorrect rendering of Vedic Sanskrit accents

2015-05-22 Thread Stephen Moye
Atta boy! You tell 'em! Take THAT! SGM On May 22, 2015, at 4:37 PM, David M. Jones d...@dmj.ams.org wrote: Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 17:18:34 +0200 From: Zdenek Wagner zdenek.wag...@gmail.com Hi David, as far as I understand rendering Devanagari fonts, this is handled by the GPOS

Re: [XeTeX] Incorrect rendering of Vedic Sanskrit accents

2015-05-22 Thread Stephen Moye
Alas, no. SGM On May 22, 2015, at 5:06 PM, Arthur Reutenauer arthur.reutena...@normalesup.org wrote: On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 04:49:58PM -0400, Stephen Moye wrote: Atta boy! You tell 'em! Take THAT! Was that really meant for the list? Arthur

Re: [XeTeX] Incorrect rendering of Vedic Sanskrit accents

2015-05-22 Thread David M. Jones
Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 17:18:34 +0200 From: Zdenek Wagner zdenek.wag...@gmail.com Hi David, as far as I understand rendering Devanagari fonts, this is handled by the GPOS tables. I would therefore suspect a bug in the font that should be reported to the font desogner. The fact that

Re: [XeTeX] Incorrect rendering of Vedic Sanskrit accents

2015-05-22 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 04:49:58PM -0400, Stephen Moye wrote: Atta boy! You tell 'em! Take THAT! Was that really meant for the list? Arthur -- Subscriptions, Archive, and List information, etc.: http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex

Re: [XeTeX] Incorrect rendering of Vedic Sanskrit accents

2015-05-22 Thread BPJ
Den 2015-05-22 21:14, David M. Jones skrev: Arguably, it never is -- if you want a dotted circle, you can add it yourself, whereas it's not at all unusual to want to show combining marks in isolation in, say, textbooks. Showing it with a dotted circle as stand in for a base character, whether

Re: [XeTeX] Incorrect rendering of Vedic Sanskrit accents

2015-05-22 Thread David M. Jones
Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 22:52:24 +0200 From: Zdenek Wagner zdenek.wag...@gmail.com The requirement of the Indic specification is to display the dotted circle if the mark cannot be combined. Aha! Thank you the pointer. I assume you're referring to this?

Re: [XeTeX] Incorrect rendering of Vedic Sanskrit accents

2015-05-22 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
Also, the original version of xetex was developed by SIL (SIL also has some useful fonts), and SIL works with such minority languages exclusively. So while it may be possible for the *tex engine or fonts to omit the dotted circle, it doesn't seem to be a very high priority.

Re: [XeTeX] Incorrect rendering of Vedic Sanskrit accents

2015-05-22 Thread Zdenek Wagner
2015-05-22 21:14 GMT+02:00 David M. Jones d...@dmj.ams.org: Mike Maxwell's original post hasn't shown up here yet, so I'm lumping two responses together. Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 12:24:49 -0600 From: Bobby de Vos devos.bo...@gmail.com Reply-To: XeTeX (Unicode-based TeX) discussion.

Re: [XeTeX] Incorrect rendering of Vedic Sanskrit accents

2015-05-22 Thread Zdenek Wagner
Hi David, as far as I understand rendering Devanagari fonts, this is handled by the GPOS tables. I would therefore suspect a bug in the font that should be reported to the font desogner. I do not know Snaskrit, I am not able to judge whether the positions of Vedic accents are correct or not.

Re: [XeTeX] Incorrect rendering of Vedic Sanskrit accents

2015-05-22 Thread maxwell
On 2015-05-22 10:14, David M. Jones wrote: ... P.S. There's actually a third class of bug that is clearly visible in the table at the top of my document, but which I didn't mention explicitly: XeTeX won't typeset one of the Devanagari combining characters in isolation without adding a prothetic

Re: [XeTeX] Incorrect rendering of Vedic Sanskrit accents

2015-05-22 Thread maxwell
On 2015-05-22 14:24, Bobby de Vos wrote: Some minority languages (that is, not the dominate language using a particular script) often use combining marks in ways not envisioned in order to extend the script to cover all the sounds in the minority language. So for those minority languages, having

Re: [XeTeX] Incorrect rendering of Vedic Sanskrit accents

2015-05-22 Thread Bobby de Vos
On 2015-05-22 10:49, maxwell wrote: On 2015-05-22 10:14, David M. Jones wrote: ... P.S. There's actually a third class of bug that is clearly visible in the table at the top of my document, but which I didn't mention explicitly: XeTeX won't typeset one of the Devanagari combining characters

Re: [XeTeX] Incorrect rendering of Vedic Sanskrit accents

2015-05-22 Thread David M. Jones
Mike Maxwell's original post hasn't shown up here yet, so I'm lumping two responses together. Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 12:24:49 -0600 From: Bobby de Vos devos.bo...@gmail.com Reply-To: XeTeX (Unicode-based TeX) discussion. xetex@tug.org On 2015-05-22 10:49, maxwell wrote: On 2015-05-22