Re: [newb] Will xorg still allow non-hal config?

2008-11-30 Thread Kalle Vahlman
2008/11/29 Colin Guthrie [EMAIL PROTECTED]: eatdirt wrote: Hi all, sorry about the naive questions, I am a mandriva cooker tester/user, and I have just discovered recently that soon, I'll have to start HAL to get working device under X. So I have a few comments/questions: 1) Today, if you

Re: [newb] Will xorg still allow non-hal config?

2008-11-30 Thread Carlos R. Mafra
On Sat 29.Nov'08 at 18:52:55 +, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 06:37:48PM +0100, eatdirt wrote: 1) Today, if you are not under the gas factory desktops, gnome/kde, you don't need HAL. I never used/needed HAL. Will xorg still allow users to not use HAL? Yes,

Re: [newb] Will xorg still allow non-hal config?

2008-11-30 Thread Beso
2008/11/30 Kalle Vahlman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/11/29 Colin Guthrie [EMAIL PROTECTED]: eatdirt wrote: Hi all, sorry about the naive questions, I am a mandriva cooker tester/user, and I have just discovered recently that soon, I'll have to start HAL to get working device under X. So I have a

Keysyms: HomePage vs WWW

2008-11-30 Thread Sergey Udaltsov
Hi folks Today I looked at the usage of I32 in symbols/inet and found interesting thing. There are 31 cases where it is used as XF86WWW and 17 cases where it is used as XF86HomePage. Could anyone explain the substantial difference between these 2 keysyms (in the context of desktop)? May be, we

RE: Broken X11 After Mandriva Upgrade

2008-11-30 Thread - gw1500se
Thanks again for the reply. Please see embedded comments. - gmane wrote: Actually this is wrong. We didn't split out the intel drivers back out at that point it seems. I guess it was only did that later. I'm trying to remember if there is was a problem with 2008.0 or not. It was

trouble setting up dual layout keyboard

2008-11-30 Thread Sébastien Barthélemy
Hello, I'm using X.Org 1.5.2 (the one shipped with ubuntu intrepid ibex) and I would like to setup my keyboard in the following way: - use two layouts: US and french - switch between the layouts by pressing both alt keys together - use the caps lock key as compose I tried this command: $

Re: Broken X11 After Mandriva Upgrade

2008-11-30 Thread Colin Guthrie
- gw1500se wrote: If anyone knows when the below problem was fixed (e.g. in what version) that would be useful as I can then do a backport for you on 2008.0. Just for the record, neither vesa nor vga work either. Hmm, sounds like something more fundamental is wrong then. I'd imagine

Re: [PATCH 12/12] xkb: don't attempt to filter events for devices without key classes.

2008-11-30 Thread Peter Hutterer
On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 10:20:55AM -0800, Keith Packard wrote: On Fri, 2008-11-28 at 17:03 +1000, Peter Hutterer wrote: (a huge pile of patches) These all look good to me; can you push them to a branch off of 1.6 so I can merge them in? I think I added that url in my first email, but

Re: Keysyms: HomePage vs WWW

2008-11-30 Thread Sergey Udaltsov
James, Thanks for the insightful information - really interesting. Unfortunately, as we all know, XKB is not that smart - it cannot distinguish application launch context from application control context. So a keysym has to be mapped to the keycode unconditionally. My question was: what would be

Re: evdev: keyboard or mouse?

2008-11-30 Thread Peter Hutterer
On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 05:58:22AM -0800, Sebastian Glita wrote: The mice and keyboards in xf86-input-evdev/src/evdev.c:EvdevProbe handle a multiple-capability device wrong for my use. I have a wireless USB receiver so I use both a mouse and a keyboard with the same token. In

Re: [PATCH] If AEI is on, disable 'vmmouse' in addition to 'kbd' and 'mouse'.

2008-11-30 Thread Peter Hutterer
On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 02:55:55PM +0200, Timo Aaltonen wrote: --- hw/xfree86/common/xf86Config.c |5 +++-- hw/xfree86/doc/man/xorg.conf.man.pre |2 +- 2 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-) diff --git a/hw/xfree86/common/xf86Config.c

Re: Keysyms: HomePage vs WWW

2008-11-30 Thread James Cloos
Sergey == Sergey Udaltsov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sergey Unfortunately, as we all know, XKB ... cannot distinguish Sergey application launch context from application control context. Apologies for ambiguity. These are two completely different keys at the USB level; it is really the keyboard

Re: [rant] keeping policy in HAL

2008-11-30 Thread Mikhail Gusarov
Twas brillig at 10:28:24 01.12.2008 UTC+10 when [EMAIL PROTECTED] did gyre and gimble: PH Most other settings in the more popular input drivers are now PH configurable at runtime too (where now == server 1.6), so you PH basically just have to convince your DE to provide pretty PH interfaces

[PATCH] xfree86: don't FatalError on too many input devices.

2008-11-30 Thread Peter Hutterer
Just ignore devices after MAXDEVICES has been reached, but warn the user that the devices are ignored. Signed-off-by: Peter Hutterer [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- hw/xfree86/common/xf86InPriv.h |2 +- hw/xfree86/common/xf86Init.c |4 +++- hw/xfree86/common/xf86Xinput.c | 29

Re: [rant] keeping policy in HAL

2008-11-30 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
Peter Hutterer wrote: On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 09:17:47PM +0500, Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: However, xorg gets things like keyboard layouts from HAL. This is also policy, and also important to get i18n right. But, for some reason, this is allowed to exist in HAL, and default mount options

Re: [rant] keeping policy in HAL

2008-11-30 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
Peter Hutterer wrote: adding the list back On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 09:55:03AM +0500, Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: Obvious problem: it is too late to set the keyboard layout in the desktop environment. The user has to type the login and the password into the display manager, and the

Re: [rant] keeping policy in HAL

2008-11-30 Thread Daniel Stone
On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 10:47:06AM +0500, Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: Also, currently, for unconfigured Xorg, such newly-added keyboard gets the us layout. This is also a hard-coded policy, should we remove it? Ignoring both the rhetoric and the fact that neither of the input maintainers are

Re: [rant] keeping policy in HAL

2008-11-30 Thread Peter Hutterer
On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 10:47:06AM +0500, Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: Peter Hutterer wrote: adding the list back On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 09:55:03AM +0500, Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: Obvious problem: it is too late to set the keyboard layout in the desktop environment. The user has to

XGE protocol spec

2008-11-30 Thread Peter Hutterer
Below is the protocol spec for the X Generic Event Extension (XGE). It'll be shipped with 1.6 even though there won't be any consumers for it yet. (This is the current proto/xextproto/geproto.txt file as valid in my tree. Will be pushed pending no objections.) Cheers, Peter

Re: [rant] keeping policy in HAL

2008-11-30 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
Peter Hutterer wrote: I was referring to DE as a concept, not as a specific implementation. It counts as part of whatever you're running afterwards, may be gnome, kde, xfce or my-happy-bunch-of-shellscripts. OK. Anyway, my point about XDM as the example implementation not following the modern

Re: [rant] keeping policy in HAL

2008-11-30 Thread David Miller
I just want to voice my dislike of the HAL input layer stuff, but just that it's the default. Right now that doesn't make any sense. I try to keep uptodate with current GIT to make sure sparc doesn't break. But what I spend most of my time doing is figuring out what new default breaks Xorg on

Using XTestFakeDeviceMotionEvent().

2008-11-30 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, The following program (requires XInput2) warps my pointer to (0,0) instead of the requested (600,400). I'd be interested to know whether this happens for other people, and if there's something obviously wong with my code. Thanks! // gcc -o xtest xtest.c -Wall -I/usr/include/X11 -lX11

Re: XGE protocol spec

2008-11-30 Thread Daniel Stone
On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 04:15:47PM +1000, Peter Hutterer wrote: Below is the protocol spec for the X Generic Event Extension (XGE). It'll be shipped with 1.6 even though there won't be any consumers for it yet. (This is the current proto/xextproto/geproto.txt file as valid in my tree. Will