Re: [xubuntu-users] No scrollbar steppers in xfce4-terninal
> You can still see traces of this in application names (eg beginning > or ending with qt or k or gn :-) which was probably warm and fuzzy at > the time, but gets less and less relevant as the application matures, > u ntil it's just annoying. Let's see... g*, k*, q*, x* ... I guess minor consolation is that it's not unique to unix/Linux: win*, mac*... or for that matter, i*, e*? I guess I shouldn't lean too much on "e", since I'm reading this via email. :-) Like you said, it's cute for a while but soon wears thin, ending up looking amateurish and somehow (to me, at least) childish. -- Len Philpotlphilpot01@gmail.comSent from Evolution on Xubuntu Linux On Wed, 2017-11-15 at 22:15 +, Peter Flynn wrote: > On 15/11/17 07:01, Teresa e Junior wrote: > > > > Em 14/11/2017 21:50, Len Philpot escreveu: > > > > > > From what I recall, the debate was fundamentally about more > > > options > > > and complexity vs. fewer options and good defaults. There were > > > good > > > points on both sides and the idea of good, intelligent defaults > > > always makes sense, but it all too often (IMO) seems to end up > > > being "too few options" and lowest-common-denominator defaults > > > (i.e. dumbed-down). In other words, if I wanted a "fruit" computer > > > I would've bought one. :-) > > I settled with Xubuntu exactly because of this. You have the whole > > power of Debian behind you, so you can configure your system as much > > as any other distribution, while at the same time having sane > > defaults for most packages. > I fit into exactly the same category, although I gave up on GNOME, > Xfce, > KDE, and variants once I discovered Enlightenment. I have flirted > with > other distributions, but Xubuntu has always done what I need. > > The only problem is that they stopped 32-bit distros at 16.10, and we > have a few old emergency laptops in the office which we were > carefully > keeping up to date (and Xubuntu 16.04 runs perfectly on them). Now > we'll > have to replace them. > > Len's point about good arguments both sides is a good one. What I > tend > to be wary of is applications or interfaces written solely because > the > programmer is enamoured of a new technology or library or toolkit. > You > can still see traces of this in application names (eg beginning or > ending with qt or k or gn :-) which was probably warm and fuzzy at > the > time, but gets less and less relevant as the application matures, > until > it's just annoying. > > ///Peter -- xubuntu-users mailing list xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users
Re: [xubuntu-users] No scrollbar steppers in xfce4-terninal
On 15/11/17 07:01, Teresa e Junior wrote: Em 14/11/2017 21:50, Len Philpot escreveu: From what I recall, the debate was fundamentally about more options and complexity vs. fewer options and good defaults. There were good points on both sides and the idea of good, intelligent defaults always makes sense, but it all too often (IMO) seems to end up being "too few options" and lowest-common-denominator defaults (i.e. dumbed-down). In other words, if I wanted a "fruit" computer I would've bought one. :-) I settled with Xubuntu exactly because of this. You have the whole power of Debian behind you, so you can configure your system as much as any other distribution, while at the same time having sane defaults for most packages. I fit into exactly the same category, although I gave up on GNOME, Xfce, KDE, and variants once I discovered Enlightenment. I have flirted with other distributions, but Xubuntu has always done what I need. The only problem is that they stopped 32-bit distros at 16.10, and we have a few old emergency laptops in the office which we were carefully keeping up to date (and Xubuntu 16.04 runs perfectly on them). Now we'll have to replace them. Len's point about good arguments both sides is a good one. What I tend to be wary of is applications or interfaces written solely because the programmer is enamoured of a new technology or library or toolkit. You can still see traces of this in application names (eg beginning or ending with qt or k or gn :-) which was probably warm and fuzzy at the time, but gets less and less relevant as the application matures, until it's just annoying. ///Peter -- xubuntu-users mailing list xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users
Re: [xubuntu-users] No scrollbar steppers in xfce4-terninal
Em 14/11/2017 21:50, Len Philpot escreveu: From what I recall, the debate was fundamentally about more options and complexity vs. fewer options and good defaults. There were good points on both sides and the idea of good, intelligent defaults always makes sense, but it all too often (IMO) seems to end up being "too few options" and lowest-common-denominator defaults (i.e. dumbed-down). In other words, if I wanted a "fruit" computer I would've bought one. :-) I settled with Xubuntu exactly because of this. You have the whole power of Debian behind you, so you can configure your system as much as any other distribution, while at the same time having sane defaults for most packages. The complexities of Debian are well handled by Ubuntu, which has been saving me many hours of work after I made the switch. Xfce4 has the same power of other modern desktops, while being more configurable than GNOME and both more stable and faster than KDE. The Xubuntu team too gives us a nice looking and well pre-configured Xfce! -- xubuntu-users mailing list xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users
Re: [xubuntu-users] No scrollbar steppers in xfce4-terninal
On Tue, 2017-11-14 at 20:28 -0200, Teresa e Junior wrote: > I wasn't around yet, I actually didn't even know about Mosfet and > Havoc. > I thought the only difference between KDE and GNOME at the time was > that > GNOME was created in response to the use of the Qt libraries. I > started > with Mepis Linux, KDE 3.5, in 2008. > I started with SLS Linux (eeek!) about 1993 or so, then onto Red Hat 4.3, 7, Slackware, etc. with more than a few breaks here and there. From what I recall, the debate was fundamentally about more options and complexity vs. fewer options and good defaults. There were good points on both sides and the idea of good, intelligent defaults always makes sense, but it all too often (IMO) seems to end up being "too few options" and lowest-common-denominator defaults (i.e. dumbed-down). In other words, if I wanted a "fruit" computer I would've bought one. :-) -- Len Philpotlphilpot01@gmail.comSent from Evolution on Xubuntu Linux -- xubuntu-users mailing list xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users
Re: [xubuntu-users] No scrollbar steppers in xfce4-terninal
Em 09/11/2017 21:25, Len Philpot escreveu: Please excuse my GTK / theme ignorance, but can anything built on GTK+3 be themed to look (more) like GTK+2? For example, make the title bar narrow, with only caption and window buttons on it? Can tabs be made to look more like GTK+2? I don't know how much of (what I think of as) the default GTK+3 "look" is hardwired and immutable, vs. themed. > As an example of what I'm thinking of, compare MenuLibre (GTK+3) and xfce4-terminal 0.63 (GTK+2). Purely personal preference, but I really dislike the whole GTK3+ look and feel. IMO, clunky and ugly, but once again my preference. I also dislike how huge widgets are by default in GTK+3 (eg. Adwait and most "flat" themes), but I believe Greybird has a pretty decent GTK+3 theme. For example, to me, xfce4-terminal with GTK+3 looks like it did in GTK+2 (maybe I haven't noticed some changes). As for MenuLibre, it is thankfully something you rarely have to look at, haha! You may want to have a look at xfce-look.org, and see if you find a more compact theme. That would be a lot easier than trying to modify them. A good example: https://www.xfce-look.org/p/1174686/ Regarding the title bar, there is this module to disable client side decorations, but it is something I have never ventured into: http://www.webupd8.org/2016/06/gtk3-nocsd-module-to-disable-client.html -- xubuntu-users mailing list xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users
Re: [xubuntu-users] No scrollbar steppers in xfce4-terninal
On 11/08/2017 03:39 PM, Teresa e Junior wrote: > Em 08/11/2017 15:25, Stuart McGraw escreveu: >> On Fedora-23 which I am coming from I had to hunt around for a theme >> that had the steppers [*] but no matter what theme I try in Xubuntu >> (I've installed a bunch including Murine which I've been using on F23), >> even if steppers appear in other windows (eg thunar) they don't in >> xfce4-terminal. I'm running Ubuntu-server-17.10 + Xubuntu package. > > Murrine is GTK+2, you need a GTK+3 theme for current versions of > xfce4-terminal. Thanks, but are you saying that a gtk+3 theme should have steppers enabled? I tried the "greybird" theme (seems to be gtk+3 from what I can tell) but no steppers. And with Murrine on F23 I *did* have steppers in xfce4-terminal. There seems to be on the order of ~100 theme packages available (that's excluding -icon- themes) so downloading and trying randomly does not seem to be a practical approach. The only other info I can think to add is that I notice that on Fedora I was using xfce4-terminal-0.6.3; on Ubuntu it is xfce4- terminal-0.8.6. Is it possible that xfce4-terminal ignores the theme and presence/absence of the steppers hardwired (and they are off in -0.8.6)? In which case I should be looking for a replacement rather than a way to make them work? Additional suggestions or clarification gratefully welcomed...this problem is seriously hampering my use of Ubuntu. -- xubuntu-users mailing list xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users
Re: [xubuntu-users] No scrollbar steppers in xfce4-terninal
Em 08/11/2017 15:25, Stuart McGraw escreveu: On Fedora-23 which I am coming from I had to hunt around for a theme that had the steppers [*] but no matter what theme I try in Xubuntu (I've installed a bunch including Murine which I've been using on F23), even if steppers appear in other windows (eg thunar) they don't in xfce4-terminal. I'm running Ubuntu-server-17.10 + Xubuntu package. Murrine is GTK+2, you need a GTK+3 theme for current versions of xfce4-terminal. -- xubuntu-users mailing list xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users
