Re: [xubuntu-users] Trying to install 16.04.3 LTS, reached a place with no way out but the power button :(

[Daniel Wastak]

Thanks for the update Fred.

Dan Wastak

On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 5:46 AM, Brian  wrote:

> On 12/02/2017 07:46 AM, I wrote:
>
>
> Well, I eventually found an answer to all this. The lockup occurs any
> time that I try to install the bootloader to one of my large (4 TB)
> drives. However, if I put the bootloader on my sole remaining 1.5 TB
> drive, the installtion process works flawlessly. This would also
> account for it working in the virtual machine, of course!
>
> I don't *KNOW* that the problem will occur with any drive of 2TB or
> larger, but it sure seems the most likely guess for a transition
> point. :)
>
> And no, it was NOT possible to get to the loop when trying to install
> to the 4TB drive and then tell the installer to switch to the 1.5 TB
> drive. That didn't get me out of the loop. I suspect that part of the
> installer's code is also broken.
>
> I noticed someone posting with this same problem (the loop) on the
> Ubuntu forums, so I just posted a message there with my suspicions
> about the drive size.
>
>
> Brian.
>
> (now running on Ubuntu Studio, BTW, I have to install XFCE at some
> point, I have a use for a lot of the Studio programs but I hate the
> default interface ).
>
>
> > On 12/01/2017 10:06 AM, Daniel Wastak wrote:
> >> Fred,
> >>
> >> Here is another link explaining how to use refind
> >>
> >> ~> refind  <~
> >>
> >
> > I think you were definitely right about it being something to do with
> > the BIOS, because what I tried was installing Xubuntu in a VirtualBox
> > VM running under Debian, using the same DVD as I'd used to try the
> > full installation, and it worked flawlessly.
> >
> > It seems to be a bit more complicated than you suggest, though
> >
> >> Turns out UEFI doesn't like grub2
> >
> > because Debian seems to be using grub2 as well, and as I said
> > previously, doing a Debian installation using (near as dammit) the
> > same parameters, disks, etc still works flawlessly.
> >
> > Anyway, I now have an environment where I can take a look at Xubuntu,
> > which was the aim in the first place, albeit I won't take much notice
> > of the response speed! :)
> >
> > Thanks for the help, folks.
> >
> >
> > Brian.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> Dan Wastak
> >>
> >> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 8:01 PM, Daniel Wastak  >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Fred,
> >>
> >> I have a new laptop with UEFI and had to install refind to get it
> >> to boot properly.
> >> Turns out UEFI doesn't like grub2
> >>
> >> Here is the link for your reference. ~> Ubuntu 1604 refind
> >>  13>
> >> <~
> >>
> >> Dan Wastak
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 7:18 PM, fred roller
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> | Could this be related to UEFI bios? I would try Ubuntu
> Desktop.
> >> | I don't think Xubuntu has the hooks in it to support UEFI.
> >> | Then install xfce as you mentioned.
> >>
> >> I am on UEFI.  Have you checked the bios settings to see if
> >> there is a disparity with the type of bios (uefi vs. legacy)?
> >>
> >> -- Fred
> >>
> >> --
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Re: [xubuntu-users] Trying to install 16.04.3 LTS, reached a place with no way out but the power button :(

[Brian]

On 12/02/2017 07:46 AM, I wrote:


Well, I eventually found an answer to all this. The lockup occurs any
time that I try to install the bootloader to one of my large (4 TB)
drives. However, if I put the bootloader on my sole remaining 1.5 TB
drive, the installtion process works flawlessly. This would also
account for it working in the virtual machine, of course!

I don't *KNOW* that the problem will occur with any drive of 2TB or
larger, but it sure seems the most likely guess for a transition
point. :)

And no, it was NOT possible to get to the loop when trying to install
to the 4TB drive and then tell the installer to switch to the 1.5 TB
drive. That didn't get me out of the loop. I suspect that part of the
installer's code is also broken.

I noticed someone posting with this same problem (the loop) on the
Ubuntu forums, so I just posted a message there with my suspicions
about the drive size.


Brian.

(now running on Ubuntu Studio, BTW, I have to install XFCE at some
point, I have a use for a lot of the Studio programs but I hate the
default interface ).


> On 12/01/2017 10:06 AM, Daniel Wastak wrote:
>> Fred,
>>
>> Here is another link explaining how to use refind
>>
>> ~> refind  <~
>>
> 
> I think you were definitely right about it being something to do with
> the BIOS, because what I tried was installing Xubuntu in a VirtualBox
> VM running under Debian, using the same DVD as I'd used to try the
> full installation, and it worked flawlessly.
> 
> It seems to be a bit more complicated than you suggest, though
> 
>> Turns out UEFI doesn't like grub2
> 
> because Debian seems to be using grub2 as well, and as I said
> previously, doing a Debian installation using (near as dammit) the
> same parameters, disks, etc still works flawlessly.
> 
> Anyway, I now have an environment where I can take a look at Xubuntu,
> which was the aim in the first place, albeit I won't take much notice
> of the response speed! :)
> 
> Thanks for the help, folks.
> 
> 
> Brian.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Dan Wastak
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 8:01 PM, Daniel Wastak > > wrote:
>>
>> Fred,
>>
>> I have a new laptop with UEFI and had to install refind to get it
>> to boot properly.
>> Turns out UEFI doesn't like grub2
>>
>> Here is the link for your reference. ~> Ubuntu 1604 refind
>> 
>> <~
>>
>> Dan Wastak
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 7:18 PM, fred roller
>> > wrote:
>>
>> | Could this be related to UEFI bios? I would try Ubuntu Desktop. 
>> | I don't think Xubuntu has the hooks in it to support UEFI. 
>> | Then install xfce as you mentioned.
>>
>> I am on UEFI.  Have you checked the bios settings to see if
>> there is a disparity with the type of bios (uefi vs. legacy)?
>>
>> -- Fred
>>
>> --
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Re: [xubuntu-users] Trying to install 16.04.3 LTS, reached a place with no way out but the power button :(

[Brian]

On 12/01/2017 10:06 AM, Daniel Wastak wrote:
> Fred,
> 
> Here is another link explaining how to use refind
> 
> ~> refind  <~
> 

I think you were definitely right about it being something to do with
the BIOS, because what I tried was installing Xubuntu in a VirtualBox
VM running under Debian, using the same DVD as I'd used to try the
full installation, and it worked flawlessly.

It seems to be a bit more complicated than you suggest, though

> Turns out UEFI doesn't like grub2

because Debian seems to be using grub2 as well, and as I said
previously, doing a Debian installation using (near as dammit) the
same parameters, disks, etc still works flawlessly.

Anyway, I now have an environment where I can take a look at Xubuntu,
which was the aim in the first place, albeit I won't take much notice
of the response speed! :)

Thanks for the help, folks.


Brian.





> Dan Wastak
> 
> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 8:01 PM, Daniel Wastak  > wrote:
> 
> Fred,
> 
> I have a new laptop with UEFI and had to install refind to get it
> to boot properly.
> Turns out UEFI doesn't like grub2
> 
> Here is the link for your reference. ~> Ubuntu 1604 refind
> 
> <~
> 
> Dan Wastak
> 
> 
> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 7:18 PM, fred roller
> > wrote:
> 
> | Could this be related to UEFI bios? I would try Ubuntu Desktop. 
> | I don't think Xubuntu has the hooks in it to support UEFI. 
> | Then install xfce as you mentioned.
> 
> I am on UEFI.  Have you checked the bios settings to see if
> there is a disparity with the type of bios (uefi vs. legacy)?
> 
> -- Fred
> 
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Re: [xubuntu-users] Trying to install 16.04.3 LTS, reached a place with no way out but the power button :(

[Daniel Wastak]

Fred,

Here is another link explaining how to use refind

~> refind  <~

Dan Wastak

On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 8:01 PM, Daniel Wastak  wrote:

> Fred,
>
> I have a new laptop with UEFI and had to install refind to get it to boot
> properly.
> Turns out UEFI doesn't like grub2
>
> Here is the link for your reference. ~> Ubuntu 1604 refind
>  <~
>
> Dan Wastak
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 7:18 PM, fred roller 
> wrote:
>
>> | Could this be related to UEFI bios? I would try Ubuntu Desktop.
>> | I don't think Xubuntu has the hooks in it to support UEFI.
>> | Then install xfce as you mentioned.
>>
>> I am on UEFI.  Have you checked the bios settings to see if there is a
>> disparity with the type of bios (uefi vs. legacy)?
>>
>> -- Fred
>>
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Re: [xubuntu-users] Trying to install 16.04.3 LTS, reached a place with no way out but the power button :(

[Daniel Wastak]

Fred,

I have a new laptop with UEFI and had to install refind to get it to boot
properly.
Turns out UEFI doesn't like grub2

Here is the link for your reference. ~> Ubuntu 1604 refind
 <~

Dan Wastak


On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 7:18 PM, fred roller  wrote:

> | Could this be related to UEFI bios? I would try Ubuntu Desktop.
> | I don't think Xubuntu has the hooks in it to support UEFI.
> | Then install xfce as you mentioned.
>
> I am on UEFI.  Have you checked the bios settings to see if there is a
> disparity with the type of bios (uefi vs. legacy)?
>
> -- Fred
>
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Re: [xubuntu-users] Trying to install 16.04.3 LTS, reached a place with no way out but the power button :(

[fred roller]

| Could this be related to UEFI bios? I would try Ubuntu Desktop.
| I don't think Xubuntu has the hooks in it to support UEFI.
| Then install xfce as you mentioned.

I am on UEFI.  Have you checked the bios settings to see if there is a
disparity with the type of bios (uefi vs. legacy)?

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Re: [xubuntu-users] Trying to install 16.04.3 LTS, reached a place with no way out but the power button :(

[Daniel Wastak]

Could this be related to UEFI bios? I would try Ubuntu Desktop.
I don't think Xubuntu has the hooks in it to support UEFI.
Then install xfce as you mentioned.

Dan Wastak

On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 3:27 AM, Brian  wrote:

> On 11/29/2017 10:24 AM, CryptKiddie wrote:
> > Have you tried Ubuntu minimal installer?
> >
> > Alternatively, you could install Xubuntu without a bootloader and then
> > try ti install grub from a live Linux.
> >
>
> It won't let me do that, Lukas. The screen I can't get past is the one
> to select the bootloader, not installing one is one of the options on
> that screen but the 'OK' button just dones't seem to function on ANY
> of the choices on that screen.
>
> I guess I will take Len's advice and give it another try when the next
> LTS version comes out. I've no real problem with Debian other than
> they lag so far behind with some of their packaging, it's not as if I
> HAVE to move over to Xubuntu immediately.
>
> I suppose another idea would be to try the standard Ubuntu installer
> and then put XFCE in myself (that one just occurred to me).
>
> Brian.
>
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Re: [xubuntu-users] Trying to install 16.04.3 LTS, reached a place with no way out but the power button :(

[Brian]

On 11/29/2017 10:24 AM, CryptKiddie wrote:
> Have you tried Ubuntu minimal installer?
> 
> Alternatively, you could install Xubuntu without a bootloader and then
> try ti install grub from a live Linux.
> 

It won't let me do that, Lukas. The screen I can't get past is the one
to select the bootloader, not installing one is one of the options on
that screen but the 'OK' button just dones't seem to function on ANY
of the choices on that screen.

I guess I will take Len's advice and give it another try when the next
LTS version comes out. I've no real problem with Debian other than
they lag so far behind with some of their packaging, it's not as if I
HAVE to move over to Xubuntu immediately.

I suppose another idea would be to try the standard Ubuntu installer
and then put XFCE in myself (that one just occurred to me).

Brian.


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Re: [xubuntu-users] Trying to install 16.04.3 LTS, reached a place with no way out but the power button :(

[CryptKiddie]

Have you tried Ubuntu minimal installer? 

Alternatively, you could install Xubuntu without a bootloader and then try ti 
install grub from a live Linux. 

Lukas 


Am 29. November 2017 09:39:57 MEZ schrieb Brian :
>On 11/29/2017 01:25 AM, CryptKiddie wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Did you keep your Debian? Then you could simply skip the bootloader
>> installation and use debians grub to boot your Ubuntu
>
>No, I wiped out Debian, but it's an idea...
>
>Brian.
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Re: [xubuntu-users] Trying to install 16.04.3 LTS, reached a place with no way out but the power button :(

[Len Philpot]

On Wed, 2017-11-29 at 01:28 -0500, Brian wrote:
> Not directly related, but a new LTS version will be released next
> > April.
> > If you can't work this issue out, why not try 17.10 and see if it
> > does
> > better? It'll be supported until 18.04 is available.
> > 
> I suppose that's a possibility, but I sure would like to know why
> Xubuntu is unable to write the bootloader while Debian apparently has
> no problem in doing so. It doesn't exactly fill me with confidence in
> Xubuntu... :(
> 
> Brian.
> 

I suspect it's highly specific, which of course doesn't help you
specifically, but I've been running 16.04 for months (year or more)
without any issues other than what I've done to myself now and then.
It's very stable.

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Re: [xubuntu-users] Trying to install 16.04.3 LTS, reached a place with no way out but the power button :(

[Brian]

On 11/29/2017 01:25 AM, CryptKiddie wrote:
> Hi,
> Did you keep your Debian? Then you could simply skip the bootloader
> installation and use debians grub to boot your Ubuntu

No, I wiped out Debian, but it's an idea...

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Re: [xubuntu-users] Trying to install 16.04.3 LTS, reached a place with no way out but the power button :(

[CryptKiddie]

Hi,
Did you keep your Debian? Then you could simply skip the bootloader 
installation and use debians grub to boot your Ubuntu
Lukas

Am 29. November 2017 03:13:33 MEZ schrieb Brian :
>Hi all,
>
>If anybody has any ideas on this one, I would be grateful...
>
>I'm currently using 64-bit Debian Stretch, but was recommended to give
>Ubuntu a try. Since I use XFCE on Debian, I downloaded 64-bit Xubuntu
>16.04.3 LTS via the torrent, verified a correct checksum, burned it to
>a DVD, and attempted an installation.
>
>All appeared to go just fine until I got an error message "Sorry an
>error occurred and it was not possible to install the bootloader in
>the specified location". This was setting the disk configuration
>manually (so as to keep existing data) and I'd selected my first (of
>four) hard drives for the bootloader.
>
>I was left with a screen giving me three options
>
>Choose a different device to install the bootloader on
>
>Continue without a bootloader
>
>Cancel the installation
>
>
>Now, I could select any of my four drives in option 1, or select
>options 2 or 3, but either clicking the OK button (or hitting ALT-O)
>with ANY of the above permutations had no effect. It *appeared* that
>the button was being pressed, i.e. it gave that appearance when
>clicked or ALT-O, but absolutely nothing happened, I just stayed stuck
>at that screen. The only way out that I could find was to hit the
>power button (I tried all four drives and all three options). I
>retried the installation once more with the same results, not
>surprisingly.
>
>So, I went back to my Debian Stretch media, and Debian installed again
>without any problem whatsoever, bootloader on the first hard drive. It
>seems to work just fine, that's what I'm running now.
>
>This is on an AMD Phenom II 6-core with 8 GB of memory, plenty of free
>disk space, etc.
>
>It seems very puzzling that the installation procedure does NOT seem
>to have hung, I can change between the three options, or select any of
>the four drives, but I just can't get the installation to run without
>that error, and can find no way out when the error occurs.
>
>Anybody have any ideas, please?
>
>
>Brian.
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Re: [xubuntu-users] Trying to install 16.04.3 LTS, reached a place with no way out but the power button :(

[Len Philpot]

On Tue, 2017-11-28 at 21:13 -0500, Brian wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> If anybody has any ideas on this one, I would be grateful...
> 
> I'm currently using 64-bit Debian Stretch, but was recommended to give
> Ubuntu a try. Since I use XFCE on Debian, I downloaded 64-bit Xubuntu
> 16.04.3 LTS via the torrent, verified a correct checksum, burned it to
> a DVD, and attempted an installation.
> 

Not directly related, but a new LTS version will be released next April.
If you can't work this issue out, why not try 17.10 and see if it does
better? It'll be supported until 18.04 is available.

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