Hello, The SVG Open 2006 Conference organizer have setup a public mailinglist for planning and coordinating the upcoming conference on all things SVG held in Victoria, British Columbia.
Kurt Cagle - the conference chair - writes on XAML: Trying to figure out where to put XAML has long been one of the more challenging parts of this puzzle - I tend, like Antoine, to be leery about necessarily giving XAML too large a space, but at the same time recognize that in this part of the world especially, Microsoft is an important player and should not be excluded entirely from the discussion. I want to stress that to me, there are three fundamental aspects that define SVG technology that should be used as reasonable criteria in evaluating whether a given alternative technology should be given air time -- 1) Is the technology in question an open standard? In other words, is the technology freely implementable by others without licensing fees or membership in a particular company's for fee developer network? This would tend to limit XAML participation, though given that it is in essence a "competing" technology, I would dare say that it behooves the community to at least be aware of it. 2) Is the technology XML based? Secondarily, if it is not itself an XML schema based system, can it be made to work with or in the context of an XML language? By this light, the Canvas object should be given some credence, as it is likely to be used in some fashion in conjunction with SVG, even if it is not a formal W3C standard. 3) Is it a presentation based technology? By this, I mean that the language is used to create some form of sensory (principally, but not exclusively, visual) interface. This means that papers concerning X3D, SVG, XSL-FO, and even XHTML and XUL should be considered, but papers that are exclusively oriented towards areas such as RDF would probably not be unless they include some aspect of this presentation layer. I think the judicious use of these rules sets up the groundwork for which technologies are likely to fall under the rubrick of the conference and which aren't. To me, papers which present a comparison between XAML and SVG fall well within the scope of the conference, and I'm not necessarily going to be shy in allowing pro-XAML panels ... SO LONG AS THEY RELATE TO SVG, and so long as both sides in this debate can be seen. There are some features about XAML that I think the SVG community should be aware of in order to help build a stronger foundation for the rich interleaved W3C stack, and while there is always a certain degree of ... okay, fun ... to be had in bashing Microsoft, I think that it serves neither the SVG community nor our clients to stick our heads in the sand and ignore both the promise and threat of that technology. Canvas represents a slightly different challenge. Canvas represents an increasingly de facto standard for doing imperative graphics within the web browser context, and while there are some fairly sizeable problems with the specification (sic) as it stands, there is also an increasing contingent of web developers who are willing to overlook those problems and develop imperatively - with Mozilla and Safari support, indications that Opera will be going this way and the very distinct likelihood that the next version of Netscape will also be going this way, I think that the conference ignores Canvas at its peril. As someone who's worked heavily with XML based declarative languages, I tend to cringe when I see canvas, but I also recognize that for many people, the idea of creating declarative-based graphics is the stranger proposition. Note that these are only my personal opinions. I would definitely like to hear counter-arguments on all of these points as well, as I think that resolving these WILL be crucial to establishing a good set of tracks for next year. Source: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svgopen2006/message/7 What's your take? Do you want to see talks on MS-XAML and alternatives such as Declara (formerly MyXAML) at the SVG Open show? - Gerald __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------------------------------- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tame your development challenges with Apache's Geronimo App Server. Download it for free - -and be entered to win a 42" plasma tv or your very own Sony(tm)PSP. Click here to play: http://sourceforge.net/geronimo.php _______________________________________________ XUL News Wire - http://xulnews.com XUL Job Postings - http://xuljobs.com Open XUL Alliance - http://xulalliance.org _______________________________________________ xul-talk mailing list xul-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xul-talk
