Re: On Yojimbo and Time Machine
Coming to think of it, there would be a way to back up Yojimbo with Time Machine: you just need to create a sparse bundle disk image with Disk Utility, put your Yj DB on that and make the Yojimbo folder in ~/Library/Application Support/ an alias to the mountpoint of the image in /Volumes. Finally, write a little Automator script to mount the image, e.g. at startup, and start Yojimbo through the script after mounting the image. Time Machine can back up the Yj DB in pieces of 8 MB, because you chose sparse bundle disk image!. Basically, it is much the same as you might have already for Mail - e.g., I use an encrypted sparse bundle disk image for my mail folder, which I mount before starting mail, requesting the password and then starting Mail - and a nice way to safely store your e-mail, too. -Florian On 15.02.2008, at 7:37, Jan Erik Moström wrote: Rhet Turnbull [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08-02-14 15.58 I would never use a backup solution that didn't run on live data. Thankfully the days of they system is down for backup are long gone. Whether I use Time Machine or I use Super Duper or Chronosync or something else, I'm certainly not about to take my machine offline or logout to do the backup. Your misunderstanding me, if you run a backup on a programs data file (without the applications talking to each other) you always run the risk of inconsistent data (unless you have a filesystem that does some fancy stuff). For example, if you have an application with several files that in some way depend on each other - for example a database that store data as individual files and then have an index file to keep track of them - there is always the chance that the backup is done between the modification of the individual files which would make the data in the backup inconsistent. So while I'm running TM for my whole disk, I'm also running a second program for applications that is constantly running like my email program. jem -- Jan Erik Moström, www.mostrom.pp.se -- -- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list yojimbo-talk@barebones.com. To unsubscribe, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://www.listsearch.com/yojimbotalk.lasso Have a feature request, or not sure if the software's working correctly? Please send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list yojimbo-talk@barebones.com. To unsubscribe, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://www.listsearch.com/yojimbotalk.lasso Have a feature request, or not sure if the software's working correctly? Please send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: On Yojimbo and Time Machine
This is getting offtopic for Yojimbo so I won't continue past this email. I appreciate your comments Jan and I do understand the issue of data of data consistency. The only way to completely avoid that is to take the system completely down for backup and either run the backup in single user mode or better yet, run the backup in target disk mode without even the OS running. But I won't do that because of convenience nor will most other users. I don't ever close applications or log off my machine unless a software update forces me to and I suspect there are many more like me. Most people don't backup because it's inconvenient which is one of the main things that Apple was trying to address with Time Machine. Time Machine also has the added advantage of provided checkpoints throughout the day that you can roll-back to (at least for specific files). I'd much rather take the very small chance of data inconsistency than accept the inconvenience of offline backups. Now to get it back to Yojimbo so we're not completely off topic ;-) If Yojimbo stored records as separate files and kept metadata and/or index data in smaller DBs then the backup regime would only have to backup those files that had changed instead of the entire xxxMB sqllite file that Yojimbo uses now. I believe that would decrease the risk of inconsistency as opposed to the case now, where Yojimbo could write the the large database file while the backup is trying to copy it. And finally, once users get used to the power of Time Machine's rollback capability, they'll demand it. There are several times I wish I could have rolled back a Yojimbo record (this is exacerbated by Yojimbo's lack of read-only records which has allowed me to accidentally edit Yojimbo data that I didn't intend to). Cheers, Rhet On 2/15/08, Jan Erik Moström [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rhet Turnbull [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08-02-14 15.58 I would never use a backup solution that didn't run on live data. Thankfully the days of they system is down for backup are long gone. Whether I use Time Machine or I use Super Duper or Chronosync or something else, I'm certainly not about to take my machine offline or logout to do the backup. Your misunderstanding me, if you run a backup on a programs data file (without the applications talking to each other) you always run the risk of inconsistent data (unless you have a filesystem that does some fancy stuff). For example, if you have an application with several files that in some way depend on each other - for example a database that store data as individual files and then have an index file to keep track of them - there is always the chance that the backup is done between the modification of the individual files which would make the data in the backup inconsistent. So while I'm running TM for my whole disk, I'm also running a second program for applications that is constantly running like my email program. jem -- Jan Erik Moström, www.mostrom.pp.se -- -- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list yojimbo-talk@barebones.com. To unsubscribe, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://www.listsearch.com/yojimbotalk.lasso Have a feature request, or not sure if the software's working correctly? Please send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list yojimbo-talk@barebones.com. To unsubscribe, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://www.listsearch.com/yojimbotalk.lasso Have a feature request, or not sure if the software's working correctly? Please send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ok to backup Yojimbo DB now?
I read a discussion somewhere recently suggesting that Yojimbo ran into the same bug as Aperture, where a Time Machine backup while you were using the application could corrupt the database, so you should exclude the Yojimbo database from Time Machine backups. Now I've read that 10.5.2 fixes the Time Machine bug with Aperture. Does that mean that it's safe to let Time Machine back up the Yojimbo database, too? Thanks, Neil Faiman -- -- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list yojimbo-talk@barebones.com. To unsubscribe, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://www.listsearch.com/yojimbotalk.lasso Have a feature request, or not sure if the software's working correctly? Please send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: On Yojimbo and Time Machine
Hello- On Feb 14, 2008, at 4:24 PM, Jan Erik Moström wrote: Rhet Turnbull [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08-02-14 15.09 Then again, Yojimbo's habit of storing everything in a monolithic database has been one of my (few) critiques since Yojimbo was released. Curious, why is this bad? In the case of a backup the monolithic solution is extremely annoying. As a good analogue, consider Apple Mail. Each email is its own document. When my system backs itself up, each new message is backed up cleanly with a very small upload. In the case of Yojimbo, instead of pushing only those files that have changed, the backup takes much longer since the entire file needs to be copied repeatedly even if only a small change/addition occurred. I hope that BareBones and/or Apple gets this fixed soon. Requiring the user to have two separate backup plans is unacceptable. Hmmm, I would always be skeptical of a backup solution that runs on live data. By having individual files, the problem you rightly note above becomes less pronounced since the vast majority of the backup would happen to files that are closed. Obviously some sort of main db file which organizes these smaller files would still suffer from the problem, however in most cases these sorts of files could be rebuilt anyway since the important data (ie: the individual files) would be available. I use LifeAgent as my backup solution since it seems to work pretty well over wireless NAS (such as Airport extreme) and it tracks changing files in ~real time. For a laptop, it seems to work pretty well. Unfortunately though, my nightly backup over a wireless often consists of a the huge Yojimbo databasewaiting...waiting...you get the picture. -Lance -- -- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list yojimbo-talk@barebones.com. To unsubscribe, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://www.listsearch.com/yojimbotalk.lasso Have a feature request, or not sure if the software's working correctly? Please send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Lazyemaillist Question
In an attempt to be lazy, does anyone have an Applescript to pull in a list of unarchived urls from del.icio.us and archive them in Yojimbo? I wrote a similar script for DevonThink, but would like to use Yojimbo to route some stories too. Robert Occhialini -- -- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list yojimbo-talk@barebones.com. To unsubscribe, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://www.listsearch.com/yojimbotalk.lasso Have a feature request, or not sure if the software's working correctly? Please send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Question: Tag Case
Tags in Yojimbo are case insensitive, correct? If so, why does the app insist on lowercasing the first letter of tags I input manually? Robert Occhialini -- -- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list yojimbo-talk@barebones.com. To unsubscribe, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://www.listsearch.com/yojimbotalk.lasso Have a feature request, or not sure if the software's working correctly? Please send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ok to backup Yojimbo DB now?
On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 1:48 PM, Neil Faiman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I read a discussion somewhere recently suggesting that Yojimbo ran into the same bug as Aperture, where a Time Machine backup while you were using the application could corrupt the database, so you should exclude the Yojimbo database from Time Machine backups. Now I've read that 10.5.2 fixes the Time Machine bug with Aperture. Does that mean that it's safe to let Time Machine back up the Yojimbo database, too? There is another thread about that -- short answer: no Niels -- -- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list yojimbo-talk@barebones.com. To unsubscribe, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://www.listsearch.com/yojimbotalk.lasso Have a feature request, or not sure if the software's working correctly? Please send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
