Re: Application reviews by Melodie Neal

2007-04-04 Thread Curtis Almond

My .02...

I read the blog and immediately went into download and try a bunch of  
the apps he reviewed.  I then started making my own checklist in my  
mind on why I would want to purchase app x with app y.  I think it  
would be great to know of what is coming out in Yojimbo at some point  
in the future.  Barebones should release a roadmap in a form they are  
comfortable with so folks like me can know whether or not I should go  
purchase some other app because it supports X which I really want and  
Yojimbo does not.


I also would like to see more frequent updates on YoJimbo.  The one  
nice thing about the shareware apps is the developers, often, do  
updates very frequently.


Curtis

On Apr 3, 2007, at 11:48 AM, Patrick Gilmour wrote:


Hi,

I just read Melodie Neal's conclusions on the best file-organiser- 
litter-sorter app's on the Mac. Seems EagleFiler pipped Yojimbo to  
the post because of the the flat file structure (instead of the  
SQLite db) and wait for it... (drum roll now...)... Nested  
Folders


But that debate's closed, right?

Link: http://melodien.blogspot.com/2007_04_01_archive.html

Pat






On Mar 11, 2007, at 22:09 PM, Melodie Neal wrote:


People

Some weeks ago I undertook to do a review of Yojimbo and applications
of a similar ilk.  At the time I expected to spend a few days looking
at software and writing a page or two of assessment: this has proved
to be an unreasonably optimistic estimate of the work involved.

Since I have already written quite a screed, and I'm no where near
done, I've decided to post the documents on my blog, starting at
http://melodien.blogspot.com/2007/03/litter-sorters-personal- 
evaluation-of.html
.  This is merely part one, part two is in late draft and should  
go up

in the next day or so;  parts three, four and probably five will
follow along in due course.  You will see that emailing this stuff to
the list would have been completely impractical.

I hope my maunderings will be of practical use to someone.

rgds

Melodie

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Re: Application reviews by Melodie Neal

2007-04-04 Thread Michael Tsai

On Apr 4, 2007, at 4:04 AM, Alan Schmitt wrote:

As far as I know, the database is used to store tags, labels, and  
the relation between files and notes (if they have one), as well as  
the index for fast searches. (Each note contains a link to the  
record it is attached to.) The documents themselves are not in the  
database.


Right, although to be precise: EagleFiler labels are regular Mac file  
labels, so they are stored in the file system, and the indexes for  
content searching are stored in separate files, not in the database.


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[admin] Re: Application reviews by Melodie Neal

2007-04-04 Thread Patrick Woolsey
Before this already-skeletal equine is reduced to dust :-), may I
recommend referring to the extensive discussions about nested folders
in the list archives, perusal of which also won't fill up everyone
else's mailbox... :-).


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Re: Application reviews by Melodie Neal

2007-04-04 Thread Lee Hinde

On 4/4/07, Mehboob Alam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I'm not entirely sure what the fuss about nested folders is. Going
back to the original Macintosh Finder and the 400K diskettes, the
filesystem was flat, and then the nested structure was introduced as
an virtual structure. But the filestorage system is still flat.

I'm missing something about this.. tagging seems more reasonable
because items can be stored with multiple tags.. isnt that how the
mind works, as opposed to how the real-world filing cabinet works?



Tags are great, but so are nested folders. There's a reason  nested
folders accompanied that terrific technological advance, the 800k
floppy.


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Re: Application reviews by Melodie Neal

2007-04-04 Thread Marlyse Comte
Yes, I did the same, read all the entries of the blog, agree with some
of the points, others not and checked out the apps mentioned which I
didn't already either know or own. And I do know what my favorite all-
rounder would be, a mix of :

Yojimbo (passwords  serials / selective encryption / network sync'ing /
nice feel)
+DevonThinkOffice (files easy accessible on finder level / mail
backkup / quick search / stores everything / sheets with record
entries / OCR /several databases possible)
+Journler (interface / nested folders / smart within smart folders /
tables etc. possible / mark as done)
+VoodooPad (great little wiki)
+Yep (great for PDF's, and version 1.5.2 greatly improved over the review)
+Curios (sketching / various background / great sleuth integration /
flow-charting)


Haha, I know I know, but this would be quite perfect in an unperfect world :-)

It really would be great to have a true all-in-one, but then the
danger is the same as with DevonThink which had been for me in the past
to through just about everything at it and (oh yes, this was fun) to
loose a whole database because it had gone corrupt - many, many versions
earlier than the current version (it handles databases completely
different now and this could no longer happen). They used to have some
sync between machines but if I remember correctly, that had been part of
my problem then.

All this said and because this IS the Yojimbo list : looking over all
the features and what Yojimbo shines at for my personal use, there are
only 2 things I would really like to see implemented : nested folders
and some better image handling (i.e. when I drag a photo to it that it
gets stored as it's own thing and not that I have to dragdrop into some
new text file and the image then remains there just as some sort of
picture clipping.


---marlyse


 former message(s) quotes: -

My .02...

I read the blog and immediately went into download and try a bunch of  
the apps he reviewed.  I then started making my own checklist in my  
mind on why I would want to purchase app x with app y.  I think it  
would be great to know of what is coming out in Yojimbo at some point  
in the future.  Barebones should release a roadmap in a form they are  
comfortable with so folks like me can know whether or not I should go  
purchase some other app because it supports X which I really want and  
Yojimbo does not.

I also would like to see more frequent updates on YoJimbo.  The one  
nice thing about the shareware apps is the developers, often, do  
updates very frequently.

Curtis


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Re: Application reviews by Melodie Neal

2007-04-04 Thread Michael Eckblad
I understand that the conversation has since reverted to nested  
folders, but…


The blogger made a mistake; It appears Eagle Filer uses a  
combination of flat file structure AND Core Data (SQLite db) for  
its database, instead of Yojimbo's exclusive use of Core Data.


Flat file system? What version of EagleFiler did you try that did  
not have hierarchical folders for storage? Are you misrepresenting  
EagleFiler? ;-)


The blogger used the phrase flat file structure to describe the  
finder-based directory hierarchy it uses for file storage. The point  
was that Eagle Filer uses a flat file structure as well as Core Data,  
which contradicts the blogger's claim about an additional database  
engine and corruption and loss. If anything Eagle filer is more  
susceptible to corruption because it relies on the disk catalog  
(especially if the disk format is an older HFS format), but that  
shouldn't be a deciding factor, should it… ;-)



The documents themselves are not in the database.


Right.

I think both Yojimbo and EagleFiler are great products (I have  
licences for both), and I do not think it's misrepresenting Yojimbo  
to say that it does not support nested folders and does not store  
its documents in the file system, which seemed to be two  
requirements of the blogger. In fact, I think this discussion is  
most benefic for both products as it shows real cases where users  
have some needs not covered by one or the other application. (For  
instance, I really miss the encryption capabilities of Yojimbo when  
I use EagleFiler.)


It is misrepresenting when, of the final 4 deciding factors, 1.  
(quick input panel) does not appear to be substantiated by other  
users as a known issue, and  4. (method of data storage) is  
partially erroneous. 2. (Nested Folders) and 3. (Encryption) are  
mutually exclusive in either application, so pick your poison and  
wait for your feature request to come through. A more accurate  
decision defense could have been simplified to a preference towards  
nested folders and a finder-browseable file hierarchy.


But then, it is a blog, and I wouldn't be the first one frustrated  
when trying to hold a blogger to traditional Journalistic standards,  
would I…


Now, where were we? Oh, nested folders, right…

Michael
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