Re: Feature suggestion

2008-04-05 Thread Rhet Turnbull
  Seems to me it would be easier if double-clicking an encrypted item brought
 up the password dialogue immediately

I agree with Lofty--good suggestion.
Cheers,
Rhet


On 4/4/08, Lofty Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 If I'm showing the main Yojimbo list window, I frequenlty double-click on an
 item to view it in a separate window.

  If the item is encrypted, I have to go through more clicks: first, a new
 window opens with the item, of course, still hidden.

  I have to click the view button to see it. Then the password dialog comes
 up.

  Seems to me it would be easier if double-clicking an encrypted item brought
 up the password dialogue immediately.

  -Lofty

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Re: Applescript to Organize by Date?

2008-04-05 Thread Rhet Turnbull
  I'd like to apple the same technique to my catch all folder in Yojimbo

I too would really like to see true Smart Folders in Yojimbo and have
mentioned it to the developers before. I'd also like to be able to use
criteria such as Encrypted/Not Encrypted, etc. for sorting into the
Smart Folders.
Cheers,
Rhet


On 4/4/08, cj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I use the Smart folders in Apple Mail to sort my mail according to it's age.
  I have a smart folder for 30 days, 60 days, and 90 days old.

  I'd like to apple the same technique to my catch all folder in Yojimbo  I
 dump a lot of stuff into this folder daily and the ability to sort oldest
 from newest would be helpful.

  I'm not a very good applescript writer, but it looks like there isn't
 anything in the Yojimbo dictionary that lets you query a note for it's
 creation date.

  regards
  chris


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Re: Time to change the data store to play with time machine?

2008-04-05 Thread Doug Ransom


On 4-Apr-08, at 3:02 PM, Rich Siegel wrote:

I suggest BareBones consider moving their data store out of the  
sqlite

database and store Yojimbo entries onto the file system.  The time
machine backups are getting rather large when the whole database is
backed up.


At the risk of sounding like a broken record, Yojimbo uses Core  
Data, which is a subsystem supplied by the OS for precisely the sort  
of data storage needs that Yojimbo has. The fact that Core Data uses  
sqlite is an implementation detail and is, by design, abstracted  
away from Core Data clients.


Since Core Data is a fundamental part of the OS, we leave it to  
Apple to make sure that it plays nicely with other relevant OS  
components. Since Time Machine is brand new and there are still lots  
of angles to figure out, I have every confidence that in the long  
term, Time Machine will evolve as necessary to accommodate the needs  
of Core Data clients.



From and uses perspective, Yojimbo is clearly missing the need for  
integration with state of the art backup available in Leopard - files  
that are changed are backed up.   I am really not interested in  
whether you built Yobjimbo with CoreData and XML and C# and some  
thread pools or whatever. Leopard has been out a long time.



Doug







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Re: Time to change the data store to play with time machine?

2008-04-05 Thread Robert Occhialini Jr.


On Apr 5, 2008, at 5:45 PM, Doug Ransom wrote:



On 4-Apr-08, at 3:02 PM, Rich Siegel wrote:

I suggest BareBones consider moving their data store out of the  
sqlite

database and store Yojimbo entries onto the file system.  The time
machine backups are getting rather large when the whole database is
backed up.


At the risk of sounding like a broken record, Yojimbo uses Core  
Data, which is a subsystem supplied by the OS for precisely the  
sort of data storage needs that Yojimbo has. The fact that Core  
Data uses sqlite is an implementation detail and is, by design,  
abstracted away from Core Data clients.


Since Core Data is a fundamental part of the OS, we leave it to  
Apple to make sure that it plays nicely with other relevant OS  
components. Since Time Machine is brand new and there are still  
lots of angles to figure out, I have every confidence that in the  
long term, Time Machine will evolve as necessary to accommodate the  
needs of Core Data clients.



From and uses perspective, Yojimbo is clearly missing the need for  
integration with state of the art backup available in Leopard -  
files that are changed are backed up.   I am really not interested  
in whether you built Yobjimbo with CoreData and XML and C# and some  
thread pools or whatever. Leopard has been out a long time.



Doug


Leopard has been out a long time ?  Less than a year is not a long  
time, unless you are a toddler.


I suspect you did not read Rich's reply carefully, or you did not  
understand it.   Bare Bones built Yojimbo on top of Apple's  
technologies.  It's reasonable for them to expect that Apple's  
subsequent technologies would be compatible or will be eventually made  
to be compatible.


If you aren't interested in reading the answer, why did you ask the  
question in the first place?  You were technologically prescriptive in  
your question, and then you get angry because their answer is explicit?


I think that Rich's response was appropriate.  You are starting to  
sound like you want a pony.


Thanks

Robert Occhialini

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Re: Time to change the data store to play with time machine?

2008-04-05 Thread Doug Ransom
Didn't mean to be prescriptive.  I am not a programmer and could care  
less about core data or whatever.  Certainly I have some understanding  
of technology and it seems bizarre that no release has been  
forthcoming that plays well with Time Machine - it certainly is an  
indication Core Data is the wrong tool for the job.  I am sure Apple  
has all sorts of tech that is or isn't appropriate for various  
applications.  I often wonder if the Apple file system technology that  
comes with OSX would have been the right tool for Yojimbo (I only  
started to wonder when I was surprised to find out it wasn't the  
underlying tech for yojimbo other than storing one big blob).


I would have expected Yojimbo to play well with RSync before leopard  
(and assumed it was), and now with Time Machine, the size of the  
backups is rather large (and i am hopeful the yojimbo archive is not  
corrupt).


If you/they are waiting for apple to make Core Data practical for time  
machine compatibility, I saw this on WIkipedia (so it might be true):


Core Data can serialize objects into XML, Binary, or SQLite for  
storage. With the release of Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard, developers can  
also create their own custom atomic store types. .  Any application  
to the problem at hand?


Angry - no - why would I be angry?  Annoyed I am not getting the  
utility out of Time Machine I would expect, and disturbed all my files  
archived in Yojimbo are in one big opaque file - yes.



Doug




On 5-Apr-08, at 2:56 PM, Robert Occhialini Jr. wrote:


On Apr 5, 2008, at 5:45 PM, Doug Ransom wrote:



On 4-Apr-08, at 3:02 PM, Rich Siegel wrote:

I suggest BareBones consider moving their data store out of the  
sqlite

database and store Yojimbo entries onto the file system.  The time
machine backups are getting rather large when the whole database is
backed up.


At the risk of sounding like a broken record, Yojimbo uses Core  
Data, which is a subsystem supplied by the OS for precisely the  
sort of data storage needs that Yojimbo has. The fact that Core  
Data uses sqlite is an implementation detail and is, by design,  
abstracted away from Core Data clients.


Since Core Data is a fundamental part of the OS, we leave it to  
Apple to make sure that it plays nicely with other relevant OS  
components. Since Time Machine is brand new and there are still  
lots of angles to figure out, I have every confidence that in the  
long term, Time Machine will evolve as necessary to accommodate  
the needs of Core Data clients.



From and uses perspective, Yojimbo is clearly missing the need for  
integration with state of the art backup available in Leopard -  
files that are changed are backed up.   I am really not interested  
in whether you built Yobjimbo with CoreData and XML and C# and some  
thread pools or whatever. Leopard has been out a long time.



Doug


Leopard has been out a long time ?  Less than a year is not a long  
time, unless you are a toddler.


I suspect you did not read Rich's reply carefully, or you did not  
understand it.   Bare Bones built Yojimbo on top of Apple's  
technologies.  It's reasonable for them to expect that Apple's  
subsequent technologies would be compatible or will be eventually  
made to be compatible.


If you aren't interested in reading the answer, why did you ask the  
question in the first place?  You were technologically prescriptive  
in your question, and then you get angry because their answer is  
explicit?


I think that Rich's response was appropriate.  You are starting to  
sound like you want a pony.


Thanks

Robert Occhialini

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Re: Time to change the data store to play with time machine?

2008-04-05 Thread Steven Huey

Doug,

The types of Core Data stores currently available are XML, SQLite,  
Custom Atomic, and In Memory (which must be binary) on Wikipedia.


The XML store is best used for debugging since it's just a text file  
that is human readable. It could be used for storing small amounts of  
data, but it would be far too slow for storing the web, PDF, and image  
data that Yojimbo is capable of.


The In Memory store would solve your large Time Machine backups since  
none of your data would be backed up (since all your Yojimbo data  
would be in RAM), but every time you quit Yojimbo you'd lose all your  
data. Again, not a good choice.


The downside of the Custom Atomic store (and also the XML format) is  
that by atomic Apple means that every time a change is saved to the   
Core Data store, the entire object graph is rewritten to the store.  
Again, for large Yojimbo databases this would be impractical.


SQLite offers MUCH better performance than XML or a Custom Atomic  
store, and also offers partial updates so when something is added,  
removed, or changed in your Yojimbo library the entire object graph  
doesn't have to be rewritten to disk, only what has changed.



With how cheap disk space is these days, I'd rather the developers at  
Bare Bones focus on adding more great features instead of writing a  
custom Core Data store or worry about storing Yojimbo items as  
individual files.


- Steve

On Apr 5, 2008, at 7:19 PM, Doug Ransom wrote:
Core Data can serialize objects into XML, Binary, or SQLite for  
storage. With the release of Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard, developers can  
also create their own custom atomic store types. .  Any application  
to the problem at hand?


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Re: Time to change the data store to play with time machine?

2008-04-05 Thread Jason Carman

Hmm,

I'm new to this. I'd like Yj to update only what was changed, but it  
sounds as if the available options don't allow that. I think Doug  
(correct me if I am wrong) was wanting just such a thing to keep up  
efficient use of disk space--the cheapness of price is relative :) My  
Yj backup is 13 gig when I make major changes, like a system or  
account restore, and would prohibit buying new drives. I am out of   
luck, I think, and concur spending time on new features( like, say, an  
option to flag a new item in the Quick Input Panel ;)) is a better use  
of time.



On Apr 5, 2008, at 8:32 PM, Steven Huey wrote:


Doug,

The types of Core Data stores currently available are XML, SQLite,  
Custom Atomic, and In Memory (which must be binary) on Wikipedia.


The XML store is best used for debugging since it's just a text file  
that is human readable. It could be used for storing small amounts  
of data, but it would be far too slow for storing the web, PDF, and  
image data that Yojimbo is capable of.


The In Memory store would solve your large Time Machine backups  
since none of your data would be backed up (since all your Yojimbo  
data would be in RAM), but every time you quit Yojimbo you'd lose  
all your data. Again, not a good choice.


The downside of the Custom Atomic store (and also the XML format) is  
that by atomic Apple means that every time a change is saved to the   
Core Data store, the entire object graph is rewritten to the store.  
Again, for large Yojimbo databases this would be impractical.


SQLite offers MUCH better performance than XML or a Custom Atomic  
store, and also offers partial updates so when something is added,  
removed, or changed in your Yojimbo library the entire object graph  
doesn't have to be rewritten to disk, only what has changed.



With how cheap disk space is these days, I'd rather the developers  
at Bare Bones focus on adding more great features instead of writing  
a custom Core Data store or worry about storing Yojimbo items as  
individual files.


- Steve

On Apr 5, 2008, at 7:19 PM, Doug Ransom wrote:
Core Data can serialize objects into XML, Binary, or SQLite for  
storage. With the release of Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard, developers can  
also create their own custom atomic store types. .  Any  
application to the problem at hand?


--
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