Re: Folders/Tag-collections
Niels Kobschätzki [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07-05-24 22:41 Only being curious but how many tag collections/collections does other users have (especially the developers would be interesting because they are so against having a structure through folders or smart tag-collections in smart tag-collections). normally 300 - 600 items, 0 collections, 10 tag collection, 0 organizing time -- -- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list yojimbo-talk@barebones.com. To unsubscribe, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://www.listsearch.com/yojimbotalk.lasso Have a feature request, or not sure if the software's working correctly? Please send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Folders/Tag-collections and workflows
I've cracked it. I read academic articles in Acrobat (and mark them up with annotations). Then I load them into Yojimbo, tagged lightly. Then I get the 'link item' from Edit menu (stroke of genius) and drop that into BibDesk or Voodoopad for more organised retrieval. That way I get the best of both worlds - it's in a very specific place and I can call it up when I need it. It sounds like work but actually it works a lot better than when I used Devonthink with millions of folders. Everything disappeared into those carefully arranged folders. -- -- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list yojimbo-talk@barebones.com. To unsubscribe, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://www.listsearch.com/yojimbotalk.lasso Have a feature request, or not sure if the software's working correctly? Please send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Folders/Tag-collections and workflows
On May 26, 2007, at 10:48 AM, Jason Davies wrote: I read academic articles in Acrobat (and mark them up with annotations). Have you looked at Skim? http://skim-app.sourceforge.net/ I used to use Acrobat for annotations, but I've found Skim to be better. It's a much leaner application, more responsive, uses less memory, and to me is easier to use for annotating PDFs than Acrobat. In fact, that's exactly what it was designed for. I've switched from Preview to Skim for my default PDF viewer, and I've got a script in Yojimbo to open PDFs from Yojimbo in Skim. -- -- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list yojimbo-talk@barebones.com. To unsubscribe, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://www.listsearch.com/yojimbotalk.lasso Have a feature request, or not sure if the software's working correctly? Please send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Folders/Tag-collections
Some of the comments in this thread have been along the lines of Well I can find what I'm looking for amongst my 200 Bajillion items in moments - and, look Ma, no collections, ain't I grand. Well, great for you, but there are other ways of reviewing data than knowing what you want and extracting it with aplomb from a big messy pile. There is a very good reason why this is useful and why organising these collections better would be even more useful� Browsing. The scene: A man storms angrily into a hardware store, carrying a hammer in one hand an a screw in the other. He stomps up to the customer service desk and proceeds to give the clerk a good tongue lashing. Man: This hammer you sold me isn't fully featured! It doesn't do what I want a hammer to do! Clerk: (looking perplexed) What doesn't it do? Man: It won't drive this (holds up philips head screw) into wood! Where do you get off selling me a hammer that doesn't do everything I want it to do! Clerk: (looking even more perplexed). Sir, hammers are for driving nails, not screws. We've got nails if you'd like to use your hammer, or we can sell you a screwdriver to use with your screws. There are plenty of options, but you can't drive a screw with a hammer. Man: Dammit, I don't want nails or a screwdriver! I want to drive these screws with this hammer! What's wrong with you people! How do you even keep customers? If a customer wants a hammer that will drive screws, then dammit, you give them a hammer that will drive screws! I don't care what the hammer was designed to do, I want it to do what I WANT IT TO DO! Clerk: (now afraid that he's talking to a bat-s**t crazy lunatic) Sir, the manager's office is right over that way... :) -- -- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list yojimbo-talk@barebones.com. To unsubscribe, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://www.listsearch.com/yojimbotalk.lasso Have a feature request, or not sure if the software's working correctly? Please send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Folders/Tag-collections
All very amusing, but not a fair analogy in any way… This is not a request for a new or wildly unrelated feature, I already use YJ for browsing, it forms the majority of the way I use it and it does so pretty well. Features such as collections and tag- collections exist already and have nothing to do with searching, they're all about helping the user focus on a subsection of their data. This is just a request for a simple enhancement to make the use of an established feature more friendly and useful. If you check the YJ website promo blurb you'll find this listed as a highlight… Organize your information any way that suits your style, from “everything in one spot” to “organized to the extreme” …and elsewhere… Collections provide a rich and sophisticated method of organizing the information you store in Yojimbo. Whether you use the built-in Smart Collections or create your own, Yojimbo works with you. …to my mind any way that suits your style and Yojimbo works with you indicates that supporting more than one data management methodology is an implicit feature, there is nothing there to indicate that the sole purpose of YJ is to tag and search. Indeed, organised to the extreme would seem to suggest the opposite is equally supported. So to return to your analogy - that hammer was sold to me on the understanding that it supports driving screws into wood, I'm pretty happy with the way it does this but I have some suggestions to make it better. Is that so unreasonable? T. On 25 May 2007, at 15:15, Kenneth Kirksey wrote: Some of the comments in this thread have been along the lines of Well I can find what I'm looking for amongst my 200 Bajillion items in moments - and, look Ma, no collections, ain't I grand. Well, great for you, but there are other ways of reviewing data than knowing what you want and extracting it with aplomb from a big messy pile. There is a very good reason why this is useful and why organising these collections better would be even more useful� Browsing. The scene: A man storms angrily into a hardware store, carrying a hammer in one hand an a screw in the other. He stomps up to the customer service desk and proceeds to give the clerk a good tongue lashing. Man: This hammer you sold me isn't fully featured! It doesn't do what I want a hammer to do! Clerk: (looking perplexed) What doesn't it do? Man: It won't drive this (holds up philips head screw) into wood! Where do you get off selling me a hammer that doesn't do everything I want it to do! Clerk: (looking even more perplexed). Sir, hammers are for driving nails, not screws. We've got nails if you'd like to use your hammer, or we can sell you a screwdriver to use with your screws. There are plenty of options, but you can't drive a screw with a hammer. Man: Dammit, I don't want nails or a screwdriver! I want to drive these screws with this hammer! What's wrong with you people! How do you even keep customers? If a customer wants a hammer that will drive screws, then dammit, you give them a hammer that will drive screws! I don't care what the hammer was designed to do, I want it to do what I WANT IT TO DO! Clerk: (now afraid that he's talking to a bat-s**t crazy lunatic) Sir, the manager's office is right over that way... :) -- -- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list yojimbo-talk@barebones.com. To unsubscribe, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://www.listsearch.com/yojimbotalk.lasso Have a feature request, or not sure if the software's working correctly? Please send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list yojimbo-talk@barebones.com. To unsubscribe, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://www.listsearch.com/yojimbotalk.lasso Have a feature request, or not sure if the software's working correctly? Please send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Folders/Tag-collections
On 5/25/07, Kenneth Kirksey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Man: This hammer you sold me isn't fully featured! It doesn't do what I want a hammer to do! Clerk: (looking perplexed) What doesn't it do? Man: It won't drive this (holds up philips head screw) into wood! Where do you get off selling me a hammer that doesn't do everything I want it to do! I have to admit, I find the allusion apt! I currently have 9 tag collections and 809 items in my library. I use Yojimbo to manage all sorts of loosely related odds and ends, but I use folders (in the Finder) to organize more structured projects. (Like a Rolodex and a filing cabinet, to belabor the traditional desktop metaphor.) I certainly recognize that people work in different ways, though. Jim -- -- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list yojimbo-talk@barebones.com. To unsubscribe, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://www.listsearch.com/yojimbotalk.lasso Have a feature request, or not sure if the software's working correctly? Please send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Folders/Tag-collections
On May 24, 2007, at 10:44 PM, Steve Kalkwarf wrote: Only being curious but how many tag collections/collections does other users have (especially the developers would be interesting because they are so against having a structure through folders or smart tag-collections in smart tag-collections). I have 4 regular collections, and 4 tag collections. I have 732 items. I spend roughly 0 minutes a day organizing my data, and get at what I need by searching. I spend no time in organization as well (if tagging is not organizing stuff) - for this i have tag collections (for quick overviews over special topics) Yes, we're working on search performance, as I speak... Please - offer an or and a - (for excluding tags in the search) -- I want to do searches like japan or china economics… and there would be even more differentiated searches i want to do… like a search which gives me any combination of japan, china and economics, politics which would be japan, economcis japan, politics japan, economics, politics china, economics china, politics china, economics, politics japan, china, economics japan, china, politics japan, china, economics, politics Niels -- -- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list yojimbo-talk@barebones.com. To unsubscribe, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://www.listsearch.com/yojimbotalk.lasso Have a feature request, or not sure if the software's working correctly? Please send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Folders/Tag-collections
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Niels Kobschätzki) wrote on 5/24/07: Only being curious but how many tag collections/collections does other users have 17000+ items. I have 8 collections at the moment and no tag collections. Some of my collections are temporary such as for the duration of a project. Once the project is completed and I am no longer referring to its source materials on a daily basis, I delete the collection and find what I want through tag or some other search. For my tastes, I don't like to keep folders or collections of items, most of which I very rarely view. I do the same with folders on my desktop. And occasionally, I do make tag collections which are *very* temporary, such as all recipes which use strawberries. I do this when I want to refer to this group for more than a minute or so and also want to free up search for some other use. I also flag a small number of documents (maybe 15 or so), that I know I'll want to see fairly often without having to search or browse. Ken -- Simple Lives Web Design http://simplelives.com -- -- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list yojimbo-talk@barebones.com. To unsubscribe, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://www.listsearch.com/yojimbotalk.lasso Have a feature request, or not sure if the software's working correctly? Please send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Folders/Tag-collections
Niels Kobschätzki [EMAIL PROTECTED] sez: [...] Please - offer an or and a - (for excluding tags in the search) -- I want to do searches like japan or china economics and there would be even more differentiated searches i want to do like a search which gives me any combination of japan, china and economics, At present, compound searching isn't on the feature horizon, although as we've previously mentioned, smart collections, once available, will allow gathering items in this fashion. Regards, Patrick Woolsey == Bare Bones Software, Inc. http://www.barebones.com P.O. Box 1048, Bedford, MA 01730-1048 -- -- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list yojimbo-talk@barebones.com. To unsubscribe, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://www.listsearch.com/yojimbotalk.lasso Have a feature request, or not sure if the software's working correctly? Please send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Folders/Tag-collections
I currently have 23 tag collections, 2 regular collections, and 5319 items. All my collections (tagged and regular) are temporary with some deleted and new ones created on a weekly basis. That's what I really like about the tagging system: with everything tagged, I can just create/delete collections as needed and nothing is lost. My regular collections are even more fleeting, often lasting only for a couple hours. I use them to gather items together that I'm currently using (often search results) and delete the collections when done. I've had no problems finding things and do minimal organizing with tags. Although, I'm anxiously looking forward to improved content search and user-defined smart folders. I really have no interest in hierarchical folders or doing that kind of sorting/organization. Dennis -- -- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list yojimbo-talk@barebones.com. To unsubscribe, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://www.listsearch.com/yojimbotalk.lasso Have a feature request, or not sure if the software's working correctly? Please send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Folders/Tag-collections
Thanks for your well-written repeating posts for those of us who have recently subscribed. Hard to believe but for a 10.4.x user I have finally figured out the search-based algorithms rather than the directory driven functions for find/search. If that makes any sense... The more I learn, the less I know... -Rob On May 24, 2007, at 6:48 PM, infrahile wrote: At the risk of repeating earlier posts, wanting to group your collections does not imply a yearning for hierarchy or that you don't know how to tag search effectively, it's just a very useful compliment to the existing functionality. -- -- This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list yojimbo-talk@barebones.com. To unsubscribe, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://www.listsearch.com/yojimbotalk.lasso Have a feature request, or not sure if the software's working correctly? Please send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
