Re: [Zappa-List] Re: US elections and Florida - dumb all over again

2004-10-30 Thread Danny ODare



Amen, brother, amen!

Workers of the world unite and listen to Frank Zappa!!
(and register to vote - even if there is no one to vote for in your zone of activities).

I read yesterday that the Republican beast-machine in Michiganis engaged in a "voter suppression" operation, seeing how it is a 'swing' state. Obviously, by "suppresion" they mean preventing - by all sorts of foul and diabolical means - Blacks, Hispanics, lefties, Democrats, etc from voting at all. Maybe time to take to the lifeboats or escape pod, with your i-Pod of Zappa music?

I mean,talking about life imitating art - has anybody read Philip Roth's The plot against Americaand Philip K Dick's The man in the high castle ...?

Eyes staring into the abyss,

DannyMark Darling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Noam Chomsky: "What the public wants is called politically unrealistic.Translated into English that means Power and Privilege are opposed to it."Mark   I'll admit I am a Nader supporter. I'd like to see America in the hands, or at least with a figurehead that is a consumer advocate. I like to think he'd continue to expose political and commercial corruption if elected, and I'd love  to see Boosh impeached. Problem is Nader/Camejo's platform seems too idealistic to most. The solution is there he'd just need to get the rest on board,  which sadly would probably prove fruitless. I mean superficially, I certainly don't make 50 grand a year and I'd appreciate a tax break. I'm on board with nearly, if not all Nader has to say. I really wish your statement about voting for
  Nader wasn't true, but it probably is.  "Revolutionaries always spoil corrupt systems" - indeed.  -YHFor further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. 
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Re: [Zappa-List] Re: US elections and Florida - dumb all over again

2004-10-30 Thread Jim L





Well I don't know all the details yet 
but the Democratic party is famous for committing voter fraud the old 
fashioned way. By that I mean registering whole cemeteries full of people to 
vote and so on. It was reported yesterday that one county had reached 104% voter 
registration with the vast majority of the newly registered being Democrats. 
(For anyone not familiar with American voter percentages that's a damn high 
percentage) My point is that now days when something like this is detected the 
guilty ones will usually cry voter suppression. I'm not saying the Repub's are 
innocent ether. I just read this article explaining a dirty trick one or more of 
them used that could be considered suppression of deadbeatvoting. 

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storycid=816e=7u=/ap/20041029/ap_on_el_pr/voter_scam
The whole two party system is corrupt 
and needs an overhaul in my opinion. Are any of you guy's aware of the 
Libertarian party? They've been working for years to try to get people into the 
congress and even more local positions. The idea being that by the time they 
might actually get a presidential candidate elected he will have some support to 
get things done. They have of course been fighting a very entrenched two party 
system the whole way with only minimal success. 
http://www.lp.org/
They are to the Republicans what 
Nader is to the Democrats. They are saying their guy (Badnerik) will make the 
difference in New Mexico giving the win to Kerry. I find most of their positions 
easier to endorse than ether of the two big parties. To me they take what's best 
from both and leave out what's wrong with both. Like Nader they don't have a 
hope in hell in the presidential election of course.


Jim L 


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I read yesterday that the Republican beast-machine in Michiganis 
engaged in a "voter suppression" operation, seeing how it is a 'swing' state. 
Obviously, by "suppresion" they mean preventing - by all sorts of foul and 
diabolical means - Blacks, Hispanics, lefties, Democrats, etc from voting at 
all. Maybe time to take to the lifeboats or escape pod, with your i-Pod of Zappa 
music?

I mean,talking about life imitating art - has anybody read Philip 
Roth's The plot against Americaand Philip K 
Dick's The man in the high castle ...?

Eyes staring into the abyss,

DannyMark Darling [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
Noam 
  Chomsky: "What the public wants is called politically 
  unrealistic.Translated into English that means Power and Privilege are 
  opposed to it."Mark   I'll admit I am a Nader 
  supporter. I'd like to see America in the hands, or at least with a 
  figurehead that is a consumer advocate. I like to think he'd continue 
  to expose political and commercial corruption if elected, and I'd love 
   to see Boosh impeached. Problem is Nader/Camejo's platform seems 
  too idealistic to most. The solution is there he'd just need to get 
  the rest on board,  which sadly would probably prove 
  fruitless. I mean superficially, I certainly don't make 50 grand a 
  year and I'd appreciate a tax break. I'm on board with nearly, if not 
  all Nader has to say. I really wish your statement about voting for 
   Nader wasn't true, but it probably is.  
  "Revolutionaries always spoil corrupt systems" - indeed. 
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Re: [Zappa-List] Re: US elections and Florida - dumb all over again

2004-10-30 Thread mr. and mrs. skull





Life in America has been frighteningly reminiscent 
of MANY PKD novel's for sometime. I just read "The Simulacra" not too long ago 
and that was also a scary parallel of life in this country. Same with "Radio 
Free Albemuth".

Darrell

  "Philip K Dick's The man in the high 
  castle ...?"
  


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Re: [Zappa-List] Re: US elections and Florida - dumb all over again

2004-10-30 Thread mr. and mrs. skull





Libertarian is the only way I've ever voted. But of 
course i'm always hassled for "wasting my vote". Considering all of the 
shenanigans in the last and now current "election" that seems pretty 
meaningless.

Darrell

  Are any of you guy's aware of 
  the Libertarian party? They've been working for years to try to get people 
  into the congress and even more local positions. The idea being that by the 
  time they might actually get a presidential candidate elected he will have 
  some support to get things done. They have of course been fighting a very 
  entrenched two party system the whole way with only minimal success. 
  
  http://www.lp.org/
  They are to the Republicans what 
  Nader is to the Democrats. They are saying their guy (Badnerik) will make the 
  difference in New Mexico giving the win to Kerry. I find most of their 
  positions easier to endorse than ether of the two big parties. To me they take 
  what's best from both and leave out what's wrong with both. Like Nader they 
  don't have a hope in hell in the presidential election of course.
  
  
  Jim L 
  
  


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Re: [Zappa-List] Re: US elections and Florida - dumb all over again

2004-10-30 Thread Danny ODare



Yep! I can relate to that. I recentlyread again (after about a 15 year absence!!), "The Simulacra" and I was quite astonished/knocked-back by its insights/prescience. And, yes, "Radio Free Albemouth" is a great novel, especialy as- IF I recall correctly - PKD 'assimilates' his experince of being monitored/investigated by the 'dark forces' of the FBI/CIA. PKD, in the lates 1960s, attended a few meetings of the Communist Party of the United States of America, which was enjoying a mini-renaissance under the 'fire' of people likeAngela Davies (especally in California, PKD's base). He eventually 'drifted' away, but was classified as aCommunist Party sympathiser/'fellow-traveller, and 'monitored' day and night' by YOU-KNOW-WHO. At one stage, it was fairly clear that PKD's phone was being TAPPED by the FBI/CIA, butalmost everybody - understandably in some ways, given his drugs-intake - dismissed him for being 'paranoid'. We now know,of course, and
 ithas been since'officially' confessed, that his phone WAS tapped by the FBI/CIA,andhis apartmentWASbroken into, and burgled, by FBI/CIA shits looking for 'subversive/communist' material.

Meanwhile, back in Florida ...

DANNY"mr. and mrs. skull" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




Life in America has been frighteningly reminiscent of MANY PKD novel's for sometime. I just read "The Simulacra" not too long ago and that was also a scary parallel of life in this country. Same with "Radio Free Albemuth".

Darrell

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Re: [Zappa-List] Re: US elections and Florida - dumb all over again

2004-10-29 Thread ESO

Well, I don't dislike Nader. His ideas are good ones, but in the grand
scheme of things he is not helping the situation by running. Every
vote for Nader is a vote for Bush. It's as simple as that. Inflamed? I
am totally digusted at this shitstorm.


On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 19:14:53 -, Andrew Hale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  What truly confounds me is how close the race is between Boosh and 
  Kerry...and how they just ignore Nader as if he's not there. I mean there
 are 
  people this time, who usually don't vote, voting against Boosh, just to
 oust him 
  and it's still neck and neck. Damn. The Boosh lackeys were caught last time
  discounting the the black vote...and got away with it, and it's going to
 happen 
  again...Boosh is the evil prince. 
  
  Sorry to flare up off topic like this. I''ve just been a little inflamed at
 the moment 
  here at work. A poor sucker working among the wealthy republican crust that
  develops between the elephant's toes. Hard to see daylight.
  
  -YH
  
  --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], ESO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   It doesn't surprise me one bit. This election will be a defying moment
   for the American people. If we have another 2000 type scenario, and
   the people do not revolt then we are truly dumb all over.
   
   I just want to know, how many of YOU are going to vote? 
   
   Milhouse? 
   
   
   On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:33:48 -, Andrew Hale [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
 
 Isn't it almost surreal? I cannot believe this shit. How a man who
 wasn't
even 
 elected in the first place is going to be president without being
 elected
again. 
 Eff'n amazing, how he continually escapes impeachment.
 
 -YH
 
 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Danny ODare [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  Yep, it's Groundhog Day the sequel:
   
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3960679.stm
   
  Of course, it is just a coincidence that these 58,000 votes go
 missing in
 Florida, where Dubya's cousin in is charge. Just a coincidence that
 they 
  go
 missing in a strongly Democratic Party area of Florida. Just a
 coincidence
that 
 they go missing in an election which is almost cetainly going to go to
 the
wire. 
 Looks like, again, the lawyers and the Supreme Court (which, by just a
 coincidence, is solidly reactionary/conservative/Republican) are going
 to 
 decide who is going to be the next US president and the fate of the
 world 
 (especially Iraqis).
  Deep in gloom,
   
  DANNY
  
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Re: [Zappa-List] Re: US elections and Florida - dumb all over again

2004-10-29 Thread Mark Darling

Noam Chomsky: What the public wants is called politically unrealistic.
Translated into English that means Power and Privilege are opposed to it.
Mark
 
 
 I'll admit I am a Nader supporter. I'd like to see America in the hands, or at
 least with a figurehead that is a consumer advocate. I like to think he'd
 continue to expose political and commercial corruption if elected, and I'd
 love 
 to see Boosh impeached. Problem is Nader/Camejo's platform seems too
 idealistic to most. The solution is there he'd just need to get the rest on
 board, 
 which sadly would probably prove fruitless. I mean superficially, I certainly
 don't make 50 grand a year and I'd appreciate a tax break. I'm on board with
 nearly, if not all Nader has to say. I really wish your statement about voting
 for 
 Nader wasn't true, but it probably is.
 
 Revolutionaries always spoil corrupt systems  - indeed.
 
 -YH




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Re: [Zappa-List] Re: US elections and Florida - dumb all over again

2004-10-29 Thread Mark Darling
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Diebold will see to it that exactly that happens. Ever read about these cretins? Scary!
Mark from Swing State Michigan
 
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Re: [Zappa-List] Re: US elections and Florida - dumb all over again

2004-10-29 Thread Mark Darling

Could be rough. Legal challenges re going to be EVERYWHERE! I think it could
be a good thing, though. A heightened awareness of elective procedure would
benefit people. Seen Palast's report on black-vote suppression again in
Florida and Ohio?

Mark, Naderite
 
 I cannot take the polls seriously. Especially when you look at where
 they are coming from...
 
 The really fucked up thing about this is we may not really know who
 actually won for a few days to a week. Do not get your hopes up. I
 have a feeling this is going to be worse than 2000. Of course I hope
 not, but this administration will stop at nothing to win, and it won't
 be fairly.
 
 
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Re: [Zappa-List] Re: US elections and Florida - dumb all over again

2004-10-29 Thread ESO

It's not his fault; he isn't helping though. 


On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 19:32:01 -0400, Mark Darling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 Diebold will see to it that exactly that happens. Ever read about these
 cretins? Scary!
  Mark from Swing State Michigan
  
  What I want to know is what if bush does win by an actual majority in the
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