Re: [Zappa-List] Re: US elections and Florida - dumb all overagain
Title: Re: [Zappa-List] Re: US elections and Florida - dumb all overagain But Ralph has never expected to win, so whether he can get anything done is not a deal-breaking matter. He's campaigning to bring attention to issues that he thinks are too important to ignore. He did say in direct response to the question a couple days ago whether he would be effective in office, however hypothetically, that he would be, claiming he's been in D.C. for forty years and knows how to generate support for an issue. I do not believe Frank would be a Nader man, incidentally. Mark FZ once said, If you can't work within the system for change, you're just playing with yourself until the next new face comes along. Our boy Ralph has no ties within a system he's been fucking with for the last 40 years. Does that comment bring this on topic? SOFA For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Zappa-List] Re: US elections and Florida - dumb all overagain
YES. Noam Chomsky: "What the public wants is called politically unrealistic.Translated into English that means Power and Privilege are opposed to it."Mark For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[Zappa-List] Re: US elections and Florida - dumb all overagain
Ooo, lots of politics. Frank would be proud. It's important to vote - 2000 proved that. Your vote does count (when it's counted, that is). Take a look at the DVD Unprecedented about the 2000 election, and the crooked on-goings in Florida. If you weren't convinced the Bushes were criminals before you watch it, you will be afterward. Impeach Bush NOW! I'm for Nader, but he's not on the ballot in Texas, so I can't vote for him. And I wouldn't anyway, since I think it would just dilute the Kerry (AKA anti-Bush) vote. It's most important to get rid of Bush NOW, reclaim our international friendships, and take a different approach in Iraq. But as for the way the country works, through Congress and the Supreme Court, I don't know how much either major party will allow to change, because it fucks with their power base too much. Check out the definition of the term fascist and see if it doesn't fit our government today. This is from dictionary.com: A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism. Sound familiar? And check out Thom Hartmann, who I first heard of on the Unprecedented DVD extras. http://www.thomhartmann.com/ Here's a quote from one of his articles, The Ghost of Vice President Wallace Warns: 'It Can Happen Here.' http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0719-15.htm Wallace was Roosevelt's Vice President from 1941-45. The really dangerous American fascists, Wallace wrote, are not those who are hooked up directly or indirectly with the Axis. The FBI has its finger on those. The dangerous American fascist is the man who wants to do in the United States in an American way what Hitler did in Germany in a Prussian way. The American fascist would prefer not to use violence. His method is to poison the channels of public information. With a fascist the problem is never how best to present the truth to the public but how best to use the news to deceive the public into giving the fascist and his group more money or more power. So, you think it can't happen here? smt Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/jGKolB/TM ~- For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zappa-List] Re: US elections and Florida - dumb all overagain
I agree it could be a good thing in the long run. It seems ridiculous that here in the twenty-first century voting fraud is so easily possible. Some of the newer computerized voting machines are even less reliable and un-checkable. Some communities have sent back their Debold machines because they don't create any kind of paper trail or backup that would allow a recount. It boggles my mind to think about it. I think it should be set up so that a voter can log onto a website and double check his/her vote and see that it was counted as intended. I guess that would present potential problems with the secrete ballot thing though. There must be some way the system could be redone. Perhaps we could be given a receipt with a long number that would be detached from a corresponding paper ballot or spit out of the machine to anonymously verify our votes with? I would even be willing to give them a few extra days to count the vote if I could just be sure that fraud would be imposable or at least less likely. As the worlds oldest functioning democracy / republic ( or so I'm told ) it's embarrassing that we can't know for sure that an election is honest. After all it's not just the presidential vote. We count on the congress to provide the checks and balances on the president (very important at times) and they are still elected directly by the people. Jim L - Original Message - From: Mark Darling To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 6:34 PM Subject: Re: [Zappa-List] Re: US elections and Florida - dumb all overagain Could be rough. Legal challenges re going to be EVERYWHERE! I think it couldbe a good thing, though. A heightened awareness of elective procedure wouldbenefit people. Seen Palast's report on black-vote suppression again inFlorida and Ohio?Mark, Naderite I cannot take the polls seriously. Especially when you look at where they are coming from... The really fucked up thing about this is we may not really know who actually won for a few days to a week. Do not get your hopes up. I have a feeling this is going to be worse than 2000. Of course I hope not, but this administration will stop at nothing to win, and it won't be fairly. On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:17:04 -0500, Jim L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar.Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free!http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/jGKolB/TM~- For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
