Re: [Zappa-List] Early 80s

2005-01-09 Thread Milhouse481






In a message dated 1/9/05 12:40:56 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Folks, which FZ albums released between Joe's Garage and Jazz fromHell would you recommend to someone who doesn't know much about thatperiod?
You Are What You Is
Tinseltown Rebellion
Drowning Witch
Them Or Us
FZ Meets the Mothers of Prevention
London Symphony Orchestra

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Re: [Zappa-List] Early 80s

2005-01-09 Thread Milhouse481






In a message dated 1/9/05 1:07:20 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I like "Them or Us" - but that's just me...
-Well.. not *just* you.. :c)

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Re: [Zappa-List] Early 80s

2005-01-09 Thread Mark Darling
Title: Re: [Zappa-List] Early 80s






I'm with Milhouse. Careful on the LSO, though; takes a little more determination and effort if you're not naturally inclined in the symphonic avant gard tradition. Also, Man From Utopia has some great stuff.
Mark

In a message dated 1/9/05 12:40:56 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Folks, which FZ albums released between Joe's Garage and Jazz from
Hell would you recommend to someone who doesn't know much about that
period?
You Are What You Is
Tinseltown Rebellion
Drowning Witch
Them Or Us
FZ Meets the Mothers of Prevention
London Symphony Orchestra
 
--Milhouse


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Re: [Zappa-List] Early 80s

2005-01-09 Thread Milhouse481





In a message dated 1/9/05 1:17:53 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'm with Milhouse. Careful on the LSO, though; takes a little more determination and effort if you're not naturally inclined in the symphonic avant gard tradition. 
-I agree. Zappa's orchestral oriented material in general takes some time to get into for most people. If you can start out being able to accept and digest pieces like "The Adventures of Greggary Peccary" and "Revised Music For Guitar and Low Budget Orchestra", you can kind of ease yourself into "Orchestral Favorites" and the orchestral parts of "200 Motels" and eventually move on to, let's say, the arrangements of older material on "The Yellow Shark" and eventually be able to arrive at appreciating the LSO recordings (although I would have to say that'smy least favorite batch of all the orchestral type material).
Also, Man From Utopia has some great stuff.
-I happen to love that album, and I feel it gets such a bad rap. I also feel the LP version is clearly and easily superior to the later CD version (possibly do to the naturally occuring bias one has when they live with one version for years and years and ultimately find themselves unsatisfied with a later, alternate version.)

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Re: [Zappa-List] Early 80s

2005-01-09 Thread Gabriel Artur

 -I agree. Zappa's orchestral oriented material in general takes some time to
 get into for most people. If you can start out being able to accept and
 digest pieces like The Adventures of Greggary Peccary and Revised Music
 For Guitar and Low Budget Orchestra, you can kind of ease yourself into
 Orchestral Favorites and the orchestral parts of 200 Motels and
 eventually move on to, let's say, the arrangements of older material on The
 Yellow Shark and eventually be able to arrive at appreciating the LSO
 recordings (although I would have to say that's my least favorite batch of
 all the orchestral type material).

Actually I love all of those, except for Yellow Shark (because I heard
so few of it).
My problem is quite the opposite. I asked the early 80s question in
first place because I don't care that much about some of the 'normal'
music fz did. I listened to YAWYI once and found only a couple of
songs or so memorable, along with the Sinister Footwear one obviously.
I didn't discard it, whenever I get a chance to listen to that album
again I will do so, but I'd like to go first for the stuff that
emphasizes instrumentals more in that period.


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Re: [Zappa-List] Early 80s

2005-01-09 Thread Mark Darling

That's hard to answer since the instrumentals are usually surrounded by
vocal tracks. I must say, though, that I don't think any of Zappa's stuff is
normal, unless you're comparing it to other Zappa pieces, which you might be
doing. (In fact, you probably are.) Thought it's not restricted to the early
'80s, Strictly Genteel might provide some of what you crave. Man From Utopia
has Moggio, one of my favorites, and We Are Not Alone (less interesting) and
Drowning Witch has TONS of good instrumental shit on it, what with the title
track and Envelopes. I'd go one more and say Teenage Prostitute, too,
because it's abnormal even within the framework of Frank's output, despite
the vocals.
Hoping to have provided some degree of help, Mark
 

 
 Actually I love all of those, except for Yellow Shark (because I heard
 so few of it).
 My problem is quite the opposite. I asked the early 80s question in
 first place because I don't care that much about some of the 'normal'
 music fz did. I listened to YAWYI once and found only a couple of
 songs or so memorable, along with the Sinister Footwear one obviously.
 I didn't discard it, whenever I get a chance to listen to that album
 again I will do so, but I'd like to go first for the stuff that
 emphasizes instrumentals more in that period.
 
 



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Re: [Zappa-List] Early 80s

2005-01-09 Thread Milhouse481



In a message dated 1/9/2005 2:38:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Actually I love all of those, except for Yellow Shark (because I heard
so few of it).
My problem is quite the opposite. I asked the early 80s question in
first place because I don't care that much about some of the 'normal'
music fz did. I listened to YAWYI once and found only a couple of
songs or so memorable, along with the Sinister Footwear one obviously.
I didn't discard it, whenever I get a chance to listen to that album
again I will do so, but I'd like to go first for the stuff that
emphasizes instrumentals more in that period.


-You're not really going to find albums from that time period with a heavy emphasis on that style of music, but you will find pieces of a more complex instrumental nature on pretty much all of the 80s albums, mixed in with more vocal oriented stuff.

On The Man From Utopia, you can find "Tink Walks Amok", "We Are Not Alone" and "Moggio".. Mothers of Prevention has "Alien Orifice", "What's New in Baltimore?" and some synclavier pieces.. Them or Us has "Sinister Footwear II", a killer noisy guitar solo on the title track and "Marque-son's Chicken", which Drowning Witch has a stunning second half featuring the lengthy title track and "Envelopes".

Oh, and uh... "Shut Up N Play Yer Guitar", obviously.. and the second disc of "You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol. 5" is one you should definitely check out. All 1982 band. Excellent stuff.

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Re: [Zappa-List] Early 80s

2005-01-09 Thread Milhouse481



In a message dated 1/9/2005 6:27:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Yeah! I love 'em all. 

-Amen to that.

--Milhouse


Milhouse wrote: 

You Are What You Is
Tinseltown Rebellion
Drowning Witch
Them Or Us
FZ Meets the Mothers of Prevention
London Symphony Orchestra




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