Re: [Zappa-List] vines - everyone PLEASE read.
Just for the record. Something of the comments
you've responded to listed with my name below, are in fact either Jim's or
someone else's. Maybe I'm misreading your tone, but I get the feeling of being
singled out here. I may be mistaken.
Point being, I'm not the only one who *clearly*
expressed some feeling of frustration and disappointment over frequent 'vine
failure'. As you pointed out this group belongs to all of us, I reserve the
right from here on in to decline anyone who failed to keep their end of the
bargain on moving a vine along
(AKA "moving the project forward"). I will do this
*ONLY* on vines I start, and it will be done off-list\privately. And with the
condition that once they uphold their commitment, I will gladly add them to the
end of any vine I begin.
That's my "final solution"
Mr. Skull
SOFA came up with this great new system that should make it easy to
track the vines. Seems to me that with a good system like this we could easily
determine who is killing the vines. For any one not familiar with SOFA's vine
method I took the liberty of posting it here for easy access. http://www.regyptionstrut.com/vine.htmJim
L
The system works - when it's employed. It's not universally
employed. With a group like this, with people joining (and leaving) everyday,
you gotta kinda hope that newbies read the FAQ that explains it all.
Unfortunately, not all do - no, no, no, they're much to wise for that; FAQ's
are for dummies... PEUW!
There are some "regulars" that still don't employ the system, ("I
don't need a to read the FAQ; I've been posting for years". Double
PEUW!), so it's not just new members... The biggest problem lately is
members on digest that respond to an "old message", which - in effect - screws
up the proper order of the vine. Hey, when in doubt, visit the yahoo page;
it's the most up-to-date.
This aint rocket science, kids...
(Frankly, I think most are too lazy to bother - but, that's just
me, speaking from experience,)
I had missed the removal of one's own name
aspect of this vine system. But one question: If there are no consequences for
those who might repeatedly "kill" a vine, then what good can it possibly do us
to know who is responsible.
Mr. Skull
"Consequences" require a specific set of "actions" on someone's
part - namely, moi. As sole owner/moderator of the Zappa list, that means I
would have to (unbiasedly) track every vine that occurs here. Since we began
the vine system, posts regarding them has become the major influx of
mail.
I'm sorry, but I simply can't dedicate that much time to the
vines. I still monitor every post made by a new member before it hits the
boards; until a new member's "intent" has been made clear to me, none of you
are bothered by extraneous poot. By doing this, I have eliminated all porn
spam, chain mails, and other self-promotional crap that plagues yahoo groups.
I believe my efforts have made the Zappa-List the friendliest, crap-free group
going at yahoo. And that's as far as I care to take it, on the moderator
end...
I think we know where the vines are and who kills them. The
point is what action can be taken. You have to be seen to be fair, as we all
have life difficulties from time to time.It shouldn't be aproblem
to let the list know your going to cause a delay...unless your pc dies...then
what?
Mr. Skull
Here's the deal: The Zappa-List is your group. I only try
to do what I think is best for the 700+ members we have. If the more active
viners wish to have a greater deal of "control" (read: able to inflict
consequences) of the workings of the group, I'm all for it and I welcome your
private email(s) to that effect. {Don't send no boys, okay? Serious
contributors only, please. And I gotta take a minute to thank JimL for holding
down the fort for me in the past - you ROCK, dude!}
AFA what I recommend in the case of known (or suspected) "vine
killers", if you all know who's killing off vines (Lord knows I have no clue),
then simply move their name to the end of the list, or remove it altogether.
If they respond and bitch, state your case in the most inoffensive manner
possible {remember, personal attacks are simply not tolerated; use the facts
as you see them, and keep your opinion to yourself}, and request an
explanatory response.
Remember, it's your group!
It's unfortunate, but a fact, that some folks are just scum. I'm
one of those that needs to smacked over the head repeatedlywith proof
before I believe it of anyone... It's one of the things that makes me lovable
- that, and my tasteful, maroon hue.
Regards,
SOFA
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Re: [Zappa-List] vines - everyone PLEASE read.
I don't think anyone was pointing to you.I
think we know that the 'regulars' are reliable and we can cut them some slack
when they are a little late responding. Its those where it stops dead are the
pointee's...
- Original Message -
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 7:55
PM
Subject: Re: [Zappa-List] vines -
everyone PLEASE read.
Just for the record. Something of the comments
you've responded to listed with my name below, are in fact either Jim's or
someone else's. Maybe I'm misreading your tone, but I get the feeling of being
singled out here. I may be mistaken.
Point being, I'm not the only one who *clearly*
expressed some feeling of frustration and disappointment over frequent 'vine
failure'. As you pointed out this group belongs to all of us, I reserve the
right from here on in to decline anyone who failed to keep their end of the
bargain on moving a vine along
(AKA "moving the project forward"). I will do
this *ONLY* on vines I start, and it will be done off-list\privately. And with
the condition that once they uphold their commitment, I will gladly add them
to the end of any vine I begin.
That's my "final solution"
Mr. Skull
SOFA came up with this great new system that should make it easy to
track the vines. Seems to me that with a good system like this we could
easily determine who is killing the vines. For any one not familiar with
SOFA's vine method I took the liberty of posting it here for easy access.
http://www.regyptionstrut.com/vine.htmJim
L
The system works - when it's employed. It's not universally
employed. With a group like this, with people joining (and leaving)
everyday, you gotta kinda hope that newbies read the FAQ that explains it
all. Unfortunately, not all do - no, no, no, they're much to wise for that;
FAQ's are for dummies... PEUW!
There are some "regulars" that still don't employ the system,
("I don't need a to read the FAQ; I've been posting for years".
Double PEUW!), so it's not just new members... The biggest problem
lately is members on digest that respond to an "old message", which - in
effect - screws up the proper order of the vine. Hey, when in doubt, visit
the yahoo page; it's the most up-to-date.
This aint rocket science, kids...
(Frankly, I think most are too lazy to bother - but, that's
just me, speaking from experience,)
I had missed the removal of one's own name
aspect of this vine system. But one question: If there are no consequences
for those who might repeatedly "kill" a vine, then what good can it possibly
do us to know who is responsible.
Mr. Skull
"Consequences" require a specific set of "actions" on someone's
part - namely, moi. As sole owner/moderator of the Zappa list, that means I
would have to (unbiasedly) track every vine that occurs here. Since we began
the vine system, posts regarding them has become the major influx of
mail.
I'm sorry, but I simply can't dedicate that much time to the
vines. I still monitor every post made by a new member before it hits the
boards; until a new member's "intent" has been made clear to me, none of you
are bothered by extraneous poot. By doing this, I have eliminated all porn
spam, chain mails, and other self-promotional crap that plagues yahoo
groups. I believe my efforts have made the Zappa-List the friendliest,
crap-free group going at yahoo. And that's as far as I care to take it, on
the moderator end...
I think we know where the vines are and who kills them.
The point is what action can be taken. You have to be seen to be fair, as we
all have life difficulties from time to time.It shouldn't be
aproblem to let the list know your going to cause a delay...unless
your pc dies...then what?
Mr. Skull
Here's the deal: The Zappa-List is your group. I only
try to do what I think is best for the 700+ members we have. If the more
active viners wish to have a greater deal of "control" (read: able to
inflict consequences) of the workings of the group, I'm all for it and I
welcome your private email(s) to that effect. {Don't send no boys,
okay? Serious contributors only, please. And I gotta take a minute to thank
JimL for holding down the fort for me in the past - you ROCK,
dude!}
AFA what I recommend in the case of known (or suspected) "vine
killers", if you all know who's killing off vines (Lord knows I have no
clue), then simply move their name to the end of the list, or remove it
altogether. If they respond and bitch, state your case in the most
inoffensive manner po
Re: [Zappa-List] vines - everyone PLEASE read.
Thank you for that. I actually meant something
else though.
I was meaning to communicate that others besides
myself are expressing some sort of desire to have vines work without some of the
failures we currently experience.
Mr. Skull
I don't think anyone was
pointing to you.I think we know that the 'regulars' are reliable and we
can cut them some slack when they are a little late responding. Its those
where it stops dead are the pointee's...
- Original Message -
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 7:55
PM
Subject: Re: [Zappa-List] vines -
everyone PLEASE read.
Just for the record. Something of the comments
you've responded to listed with my name below, are in fact either Jim's or
someone else's. Maybe I'm misreading your tone, but I get the feeling of
being singled out here. I may be mistaken.
Point being, I'm not the only one who
*clearly* expressed some feeling of frustration and disappointment over
frequent 'vine failure'. As you pointed out this group belongs to all of us,
I reserve the right from here on in to decline anyone who failed to keep
their end of the bargain on moving a vine along
(AKA "moving the project forward"). I will do
this *ONLY* on vines I start, and it will be done off-list\privately. And
with the condition that once they uphold their commitment, I will gladly add
them to the end of any vine I begin.
That's my "final solution"
Mr. Skull
SOFA came up with this great new system that should make it easy
to track the vines. Seems to me that with a good system like this we could
easily determine who is killing the vines. For any one not familiar with
SOFA's vine method I took the liberty of posting it here for easy access.
http://www.regyptionstrut.com/vine.htmJim
L
The system works - when it's employed. It's not universally
employed. With a group like this, with people joining (and leaving)
everyday, you gotta kinda hope that newbies read the FAQ that explains it
all. Unfortunately, not all do - no, no, no, they're much to wise for
that; FAQ's are for dummies... PEUW!
There are some "regulars" that still don't employ the system,
("I don't need a to read the FAQ; I've been posting for years".
Double PEUW!), so it's not just new members... The biggest problem
lately is members on digest that respond to an "old message", which - in
effect - screws up the proper order of the vine. Hey, when in doubt, visit
the yahoo page; it's the most up-to-date.
This aint rocket science, kids...
(Frankly, I think most are too lazy to bother - but, that's
just me, speaking from experience,)
I had missed the removal of one's own name
aspect of this vine system. But one question: If there are no consequences
for those who might repeatedly "kill" a vine, then what good can it
possibly do us to know who is responsible.
Mr. Skull
"Consequences" require a specific set of "actions" on
someone's part - namely, moi. As sole owner/moderator of the Zappa list,
that means I would have to (unbiasedly) track every vine that occurs here.
Since we began the vine system, posts regarding them has become the major
influx of mail.
I'm sorry, but I simply can't dedicate that much time to the
vines. I still monitor every post made by a new member before it hits the
boards; until a new member's "intent" has been made clear to me, none of
you are bothered by extraneous poot. By doing this, I have eliminated all
porn spam, chain mails, and other self-promotional crap that plagues yahoo
groups. I believe my efforts have made the Zappa-List the friendliest,
crap-free group going at yahoo. And that's as far as I care to take it, on
the moderator end...
I think we know where the vines are and who kills them.
The point is what action can be taken. You have to be seen to be fair, as
we all have life difficulties from time to time.It shouldn't be
aproblem to let the list know your going to cause a delay...unless
your pc dies...then what?
Mr. Skull
Here's the deal: The Zappa-List is your group. I only
try to do what I think is best for the 700+ members we have. If the more
active viners wish to have a greater deal of "control" (read: able to
inflict consequences) of the workings of the group, I'm all for it and I
welcome your private email(s) to that effect. {Don't send no boys,
okay? Serious contributors only, please. And I gotta tak
Re: [Zappa-List] vines - everyone PLEASE read.
of courseI agree that's the main issuethe
only guarantee of thatis to make it an exclusive club of known,
provenreliable members...I am not sure that's a good thing in many other
ways though.
- Original Message -
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 10:43
PM
Subject: Re: [Zappa-List] vines -
everyone PLEASE read.
Thank you for that. I actually meant something
else though.
I was meaning to communicate that others besides
myself are expressing some sort of desire to have vines work without some of
the failures we currently experience.
Mr. Skull
I don't think anyone
was pointing to you.I think we know that the 'regulars' are reliable and
we can cut them some slack when they are a little late responding. Its those
where it stops dead are the pointee's...
- Original Message -
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 7:55
PM
Subject: Re: [Zappa-List] vines -
everyone PLEASE read.
Just for the record. Something of the
comments you've responded to listed with my name below, are in fact either
Jim's or someone else's. Maybe I'm misreading your tone, but I get the
feeling of being singled out here. I may be mistaken.
Point being, I'm not the only one who
*clearly* expressed some feeling of frustration and disappointment over
frequent 'vine failure'. As you pointed out this group belongs to all of
us, I reserve the right from here on in to decline anyone who failed to
keep their end of the bargain on moving a vine along
(AKA "moving the project forward"). I will
do this *ONLY* on vines I start, and it will be done off-list\privately.
And with the condition that once they uphold their commitment, I will
gladly add them to the end of any vine I begin.
That's my "final solution"
Mr. Skull
SOFA came up with this great new system that should make it
easy to track the vines. Seems to me that with a good system like this
we could easily determine who is killing the vines. For any one not
familiar with SOFA's vine method I took the liberty of posting it here
for easy access. http://www.regyptionstrut.com/vine.htmJim
L
The system works - when it's employed. It's not universally
employed. With a group like this, with people joining (and leaving)
everyday, you gotta kinda hope that newbies read the FAQ that explains
it all. Unfortunately, not all do - no, no, no, they're much to wise for
that; FAQ's are for dummies... PEUW!
There are some "regulars" that still don't employ the
system, ("I don't need a to read the FAQ; I've been posting for
years". Double PEUW!), so it's not just new members...
The biggest problem lately is members on digest that respond to an "old
message", which - in effect - screws up the proper order of the vine.
Hey, when in doubt, visit the yahoo page; it's the most
up-to-date.
This aint rocket science, kids...
(Frankly, I think most are too lazy to bother - but, that's
just me, speaking from experience,)
I had missed the removal of one's own name
aspect of this vine system. But one question: If there are no
consequences for those who might repeatedly "kill" a vine, then what
good can it possibly do us to know who is responsible.
Mr. Skull
"Consequences" require a specific set of "actions" on
someone's part - namely, moi. As sole owner/moderator of the Zappa list,
that means I would have to (unbiasedly) track every vine that occurs
here. Since we began the vine system, posts regarding them has become
the major influx of mail.
I'm sorry, but I simply can't dedicate that much time to
the vines. I still monitor every post made by a new member before it
hits the boards; until a new member's "intent" has been made clear to
me, none of you are bothered by extraneous poot. By doing this, I have
eliminated all porn spam, chain mails, and other self-promotional crap
that plagues yahoo groups. I believe my efforts have made the Zappa-List
the friendliest, crap-free group going at yahoo. And that's as far as I
care to take it, on the moderator end...
I think we know where the vines are and who kills
them. The point is what action can be taken. You have to be seen to be
fair, as we all have life difficulties fr
Re: [Zappa-List] vines - everyone PLEASE read.
If that is the only solution, then I agree, it's doubtful to be a good thing. Nothing worse than an insular elite. Ugh, shudder the thought. Skull of courseI agree that's the main issuethe only guarantee of thatis to make it an exclusive club of known, provenreliable members...I am not sure that's a good thing in many other ways though. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [Zappa-List] vines - everyone PLEASE read. Thank you for that. I actually meant something else though. I was meaning to communicate that others besides myself are expressing some sort of desire to have vines work without some of the failures we currently experience. Mr. Skull For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Zappa-List" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Zappa-List] vines - everyone PLEASE read.
Whoa, time out! Maybe I'm misreading your tone, but I get the feeling of being singled out here. I may be mistaken. Oh yes, my tone was not intended to be accusatory in any way! I have nothing but the utmost respect for you, Mr. Skull; you're an adroit poster, and a valued member of the List. Believe that no offense whatsoever should be taken from my diatribe; I wasn't even bashing those who have fallen short in the vine situation... I was trying (albeit poorly) to relate how difficult it is to assess someone's intent, and what to do when you suspect another member of malintent. Actually, my rant was more a plea for help than anything else. Point being, I'm not the only one who *clearly* expressed some feeling of frustration and disappointment over frequent 'vine failure'. Point taken... I responded because you weren't the only one (had you been, I would have contacted you directly, rather than take up the group's time with the issue). As you pointed out this group belongs to all of us, I reserve the right from here on in to decline anyone who failed to keep their end of the bargain on moving a vine along (AKA "moving the project forward"). I will do this *ONLY* on vines I start, and it will be done off-list\privately. And with the condition that once they uphold their commitment, I will gladly add them to the end of any vine I begin. That's my "final solution" Mr. Skull Okay with me...the group does belong to everybody.But what about the vines that already exist? Like this recent post from NoKeating: "Hey, remember this one from a while back? I received it from Luis in Argentina, and I'm sending it out to Scott Burnett, in Utah. Cheers, John" I wonder because of this recent post: "I received the MITB Cds from Brazil and after 2 days I forwarded them to Richard Hall-US (who had been very quick in sending me his snail mail address); then... silence. So I sent another set of CDs to the next in line, Mr. Scott Burnett (it was August2nd, and I was leaving for my summer holidays). When I returned back from vacation, I checked the e-mail and saw no messages from Scott confirming he had received and forwarded the packet. So I asked if the CDs had gone lost (I wasready to make a third attempt!) and finally Scott emerged saying (on Aug. 31st) that he was going to send MITB to Cyrano http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/message/9958 Then, no sign of life. Music Would Be The Best marco" Ya see my predicament? I don't know what to think here. That was why I said that "consequences" for errant viners is a difficult thing to dispense... Many of us here come and go as we please, which is the way it should be. I, on the other hand, have to watch everything. Sometimes it gets a bit overwhelming. And in a couple of weeks I'll begin a new job that promises to keep me even further out of the loop! So, I apologize that you mistook my tone as an indictment. And I want to again invite anyone who'd like to get "more involved" with this mewling toddler we call the List to email me privately. I could stand a couple of trusted 'Sergeant's helping run this show. Speaking of which, I have to be gone for a week starting this Saturday. JimL, could you do me a favor? Regards, SOFA For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Zappa-List" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Zappa-List] vines
I've made it a point to let the group know when I have a delay, which is too frequently I'm sorry to say. If my pc dies, I go to the library and use one of their computers to let the group know I'm on a temporary hiatus. Mr. Skull I think we know where the vines are and who kills them. The point is what action can be taken. You have to be seen to be fair, as we all have life difficulties from time to time.It shouldn't be aproblem to let the list know your going to cause a delay...unless your pc dies...then what? For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Zappa-List" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [Zappa-List] vines
Personally I dont mind a delay. Especially if the person sends a post to the list explaining it. Its the vines that just stop. I really dont know were all this has happened. Ok I think I know about a couple of recent ones. I just know that out of the several vines Ive started over the last 6 to 12 months only one or two seem to have completed to the point that someone posts a message saying they were last. Ive never even been affected much by diapering vines because I seldom sign up to receive one. More often its just that Ive acquired something that I think is more than worth sharing and so I start one. Jim L From: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 7:16 PM To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zappa-List] vines I've made it a point to let the group know when I have a delay, which is too frequently I'm sorry to say. If my pc dies, I go to the library and use one of their computers to let the group know I'm on a temporary hiatus. Mr. Skull I think we know where the vines are and who kills them. The point is what action can be taken. You have to be seen to be fair, as we all have life difficulties from time to time.It shouldn't be aproblem to let the list know your going to cause a delay...unless your pc dies...then what? For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Zappa-List" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Zappa-List] vines
Well, then it looks as if delay is not the issue here then. But it sure does suck when you wait so long on a vine that you begin to accept the fact that you might not ever receive it. MITB comes to mind for me on this one. Mr. Skull Personally I dont mind a delay. Especially if the person sends a post to the list explaining it. Its the vines that just stop. I really dont know were all this has happened. Ok I think I know about a couple of recent ones. I just know that out of the several vines Ive started over the last 6 to 12 months only one or two seem to have completed to the point that someone posts a message saying they were last. Ive never even been affected much by diapering vines because I seldom sign up to receive one. More often its just that Ive acquired something that I think is more than worth sharing and so I start one. For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. SPONSORED LINKS Personals Fun family vacation Fun ride Family fun Fun christmas gift Fun apron YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Zappa-List" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Zappa-List] vines
Nope, never have seen the arrival of MITB. Gave up, but thought I'd mention it. Desperation is the mothers of invention. Yeah, wondered about how one diapered a vine... Skull Ho did that one die a premature death as well? Did you ever get it? I restarted it once and it got to at least one or two. Then I remember it got lost in the mail but I thought someone had said they would resend the discs? BTW obvius typo in my previus post (diapering vines) should be disappearing vines. lolJim L Well, then it looks as if delay is not the issue here then. But it sure does suck when you wait so long on a vine that you begin to accept the fact that you might not ever receive it. MITB comes to mind for me on this one. Mr. Skull Personally I dont mind a delay. Especially if the person sends a post to the list explaining it. Its the vines that just stop. I really dont know were all this has happened. Ok I think I know about a couple of recent ones. I just know that out of the several vines Ive started over the last 6 to 12 months only one or two seem to have completed to the point that someone posts a message saying they were last. Ive never even been affected much by diapering vines because I seldom sign up to receive one. More often its just that Ive acquired something that I think is more than worth sharing and so I start one. For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Zappa-List" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Zappa-List] vines
I had a modem go out a couple of weeks ago but was still able to get out the GTO's to Paul andDas Genie to John K.. I stopped signingup forvines until I cut down on the confusion. I am on for one now (Thing-Fish tapes), and would like the Manchester 79 (was trying to watch the US vine), but still have yet to receive the SNL/Mudd Club DVD (as a non-burner, I was last on the vine) and the Fillmore 14 Nov 70/Hariburg PA 29 Oct 74 I was in line for. (If anyone knows the status of these two, please comment.) Big personal issues, I understand, but a note would be nice. Joseph - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [Zappa-List] vines Well, then it looks as if delay is not the issue here then. But it sure does suck when you wait so long on a vine that you begin to accept the fact that you might not ever receive it. MITB comes to mind for me on this one. Mr. Skull Personally I dont mind a delay. Especially if the person sends a post to the list explaining it. Its the vines that just stop. I really dont know were all this has happened. Ok I think I know about a couple of recent ones. I just know that out of the several vines Ive started over the last 6 to 12 months only one or two seem to have completed to the point that someone posts a message saying they were last. Ive never even been affected much by diapering vines because I seldom sign up to receive one. More often its just that Ive acquired something that I think is more than worth sharing and so I start one. For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. SPONSORED LINKS Personals Fun family vacation Fun ride Family fun Fun christmas gift Fun apron YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Zappa-List" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Zappa-List] vines - everyone PLEASE read.
SOFA came up with this great new system that should make it easy to
track the vines. Seems to me that with a good system like this we could easily
determine who is killing the vines. For any one not familiar with SOFA's vine
method I took the liberty of posting it here for easy access. http://www.regyptionstrut.com/vine.htmJim
L
The system works - when it's employed. It's not universally
employed. With a group like this, with people joining (and leaving) everyday,
you gotta kinda hope that newbies read the FAQ that explains it all.
Unfortunately, not all do - no, no, no, they're much to wise for that; FAQ's are
for dummies... PEUW!
There are some "regulars" that still don't employ the system, ("I
don't need a to read the FAQ; I've been posting for years". Double
PEUW!), so it's not just new members... The biggest problem lately is
members on digest that respond to an "old message", which - in effect - screws
up the proper order of the vine. Hey, when in doubt, visit the yahoo page; it's
the most up-to-date.
This aint rocket science, kids...
(Frankly, I think most are too lazy to bother - but, that's just
me, speaking from experience,)
I had missed the removal of one's own name aspect
of this vine system. But one question: If there are no consequences for those
who might repeatedly "kill" a vine, then what good can it possibly do us to know
who is responsible.
Mr. Skull
"Consequences" require a specific set of "actions" on someone's
part - namely, moi. As sole owner/moderator of the Zappa list, that means I
would have to (unbiasedly) track every vine that occurs here. Since we began the
vine system, posts regarding them has become the major influx of
mail.
I'm sorry, but I simply can't dedicate that much time to the vines.
I still monitor every post made by a new member before it hits the boards; until
a new member's "intent" has been made clear to me, none of you are bothered by
extraneous poot. By doing this, I have eliminated all porn spam, chain mails,
and other self-promotional crap that plagues yahoo groups. I believe my efforts
have made the Zappa-List the friendliest, crap-free group going at yahoo. And
that's as far as I care to take it, on the moderator end...
I think we know where the vines are and who kills them. The
point is what action can be taken. You have to be seen to be fair, as we all
have life difficulties from time to time.It shouldn't be aproblem to
let the list know your going to cause a delay...unless your pc dies...then
what?
Mr. Skull
Here's the deal: The Zappa-List is your group. I only try to
do what I think is best for the 700+ members we have. If the more active viners
wish to have a greater deal of "control" (read: able to inflict consequences) of
the workings of the group, I'm all for it and I welcome your private
email(s) to that effect. {Don't send no boys, okay? Serious contributors only,
please. And I gotta take a minute to thank JimL for holding down the fort for me
in the past - you ROCK, dude!}
AFA what I recommend in the case of known (or suspected) "vine
killers", if you all know who's killing off vines (Lord knows I have no clue),
then simply move their name to the end of the list, or remove it altogether. If
they respond and bitch, state your case in the most inoffensive manner possible
{remember, personal attacks are simply not tolerated; use the facts as you see
them, and keep your opinion to yourself}, and request an explanatory
response.
Remember, it's your group!
It's unfortunate, but a fact, that some folks are just scum. I'm
one of those that needs to smacked over the head repeatedlywith proof
before I believe it of anyone... It's one of the things that makes me lovable -
that, and my tasteful, maroon hue.
Regards,
SOFA
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RE: [Zappa-List] vines
Ooops I seem to have replied to the wrong email here. Sorry Jim L -Original Message- From: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim L Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 5:32 PM To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zappa-List] vines I haven't said anything up to now but I agree as well. I've started several vines in the last six months and I'm thinking that some if not all of them have disappeared before their time. SOFA came up with this great new system that should make it easy to track the vines. Seems like the signing up part is going ok but the posting the list with ones own name removed isn't happening. Without that part it's hard to know were the vine discs stopped. Seems to me that with a good system like this we could easily determine who is killing the vines. For any one not familiar with SOFA's vine method I took the liberty of posting it here for easy access. http://www.regyptionstrut.com/vine.htm Jim L -Original Message- From: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of thierry barbier Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 3:14 PM To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Zappa-List] vines Hi everybody thanks to Carsten, I received Rehearsals Philadelphia '88 DVD I pass it now to Neil Hawkins Neil, you will find in the same package : FZ Video Archives DVD I think you will enjoy them ! it's a big work to follow all these vines, but it's worth it ! best regards Thierry For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Life without art music? Keep the arts alive today at Network for Good! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iuUuID/dnQLAA/n1hLAA/yXLolB/TM ~- For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zappa-List] Vines, upcoming Zappa special
Greetings, I too am a newbie to this group and am curious as to how these vines work. I'm also a long (read old) time Zappa fan. My first Zappa album was Lumpy Gravy (bought new by my mom as my allowance that week at a department store called Klein's) and my first rock and roll show was the Flo Eddie edition in 1971 at Stony Brook University at the tender age of thirteen. Oh, the wicked life of debauchery that ensued! Speaking of Stony Brook, I returned there as an adult (in age, at least) and have been broadcasting on their station for quite a while now. For over ten years I've been doing one entire day of Zappa and we'll be doing it again April 17 between noon midnight. It will be webcast at wusb.fm for those who want to tune in. It IS tied into our spring fundraising so there will be stretches of pitches to deal with but I can guarantee you the music will be choice. This one will be co-hosted by John Tabacco and Nigey Lennon and scheduled guests include Greg Russo (author of Cosmik Debris) and Charles Ulrich (currently at work on the book Project/Object). Not Dead Yet, Bill Amutis [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ol' Baggy Eyes) We honor nothing by being the way we are. We make a desolation and we call it peace.-Jim Shepard On Apr 5, 2005, at 10:43 PM, Jack Simpson wrote: I hear you, Hepburn. My first Zappa album was Absolutely Free a friend turned me onto it in 1968. I bought everything that he put out after that, but nothing prepared me for Live at Fillmore East June 1971. I couldn't believe my ears. Still can't. Jack (just how much Chardonnay can one man drink, anyways) in Austin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi all, i'm a fairly new member of this. the only other lists i belong to are the Tom Waits and Randy Newman ones. being a newbie i'm not too sure how these vines work. although i'm a newbie to this list i'm a long time FZ fan, owning most of his lps, all the way from Were Only In It For The Money, Lumpy Gravy, etc... Not Dead Yet,
Re: [Zappa-List] Vines, SOFA's way
I think it's to work this way. I start a vine. Jim L-US As you reply by adding your name (Jim L-USRick-??) your email address is automatically on the email you replied and added yourself with. With digest you would need to be careful to change the subject back to original and do some cut and paste I guess. Might be easier to go to the website and do your reply. Anyway when I see your reply I can email you or you can always get my email address from my originalpost with the offer and send me your details. This system is almost foolproof with the possible exception of 2 members replying and adding themselves to thevine at once. Even then yahoo will sort out who's email arrived there first down to themillisecond andcombining can occur. I can't say I've ever seen it done this way but I think it will catch on. Seems better than just waiting around for a re-offer, and easier to keep track off than the old pre routed vines. Jim L - Original Message - From: Richard Hall To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 5:44 PM Subject: [Zappa-List] Vines, SOFA's way Or is the problem I am getting the daily digest?Am I to watch the mail for this vine and capture the e-maiol address of the name added after me?Or when adding my name to I contact the previous name?Already 3rd parties are "cleaning up" vine trails, an rightlyfully so, but how to pass on the contact info?Rick(or maybe I slept through that part of the last song) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Has someone you know been affected by illness or disease?Network for Good is THE place to support health awareness efforts!http://us.click.yahoo.com/pKxVKC/UOnJAA/n1hLAA/yXLolB/TM~- For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Zappa-List] Vines, SOFA's way
Ok putting your email in will work too. You guys should leave spaces though or they might not get thru by clicking on them. Like this. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jim L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ima Next [EMAIL PROTECTED] Otherwise careful copy and pasting or hand typing will be needed. Just a thought ;-) Jim L - Original Message - From: Jim L To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [Zappa-List] Vines, SOFA's way I think it's to work this way. I start a vine. Jim L-US As you reply by adding your name (Jim L-USRick-??) your email address is automatically on the email you replied and added yourself with. With digest you would need to be careful to change the subject back to original and do some cut and paste I guess. Might be easier to go to the website and do your reply. Anyway when I see your reply I can email you or you can always get my email address from my originalpost with the offer and send me your details. This system is almost foolproof with the possible exception of 2 members replying and adding themselves to thevine at once. Even then yahoo will sort out who's email arrived there first down to themillisecond andcombining can occur. I can't say I've ever seen it done this way but I think it will catch on. Seems better than just waiting around for a re-offer, and easier to keep track off than the old pre routed vines. Jim L - Original Message - From: Richard Hall To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 5:44 PM Subject: [Zappa-List] Vines, SOFA's way Or is the problem I am getting the daily digest?Am I to watch the mail for this vine and capture the e-maiol address of the name added after me?Or when adding my name to I contact the previous name?Already 3rd parties are "cleaning up" vine trails, an rightlyfully so, but how to pass on the contact info?Rick(or maybe I slept through that part of the last song) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Has someone you know been affected by illness or disease?Network for Good is THE place to support health awareness efforts!http://us.click.yahoo.com/pKxVKC/UOnJAA/n1hLAA/yXLolB/TM~- For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Zappa-List] Vines, SOFA's way
Great advice, this is a fantastic idea SOFA, It's made me get off my ass and re-offer some long overdue stuff. --- Jim L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok putting your email in will work too. You guys should leave spaces though or they might not get thru by clicking on them. Like this. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jim L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ima Next [EMAIL PROTECTED] Otherwise careful copy and pasting or hand typing will be needed. Just a thought ;-) Jim L - Original Message - From: Jim L To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [Zappa-List] Vines, SOFA's way I think it's to work this way. I start a vine. Jim L-US As you reply by adding your name (Jim L-USRick-??) your email address is automatically on the email you replied and added yourself with. With digest you would need to be careful to change the subject back to original and do some cut and paste I guess. Might be easier to go to the website and do your reply. Anyway when I see your reply I can email you or you can always get my email address from my original post with the offer and send me your details. This system is almost foolproof with the possible exception of 2 members replying and adding themselves to the vine at once. Even then yahoo will sort out who's email arrived there first down to the millisecond and combining can occur. I can't say I've ever seen it done this way but I think it will catch on. Seems better than just waiting around for a re-offer, and easier to keep track off than the old pre routed vines. Jim L - Original Message - From: Richard Hall To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 5:44 PM Subject: [Zappa-List] Vines, SOFA's way Or is the problem I am getting the daily digest? Am I to watch the mail for this vine and capture the e-maiol address of the name added after me? Or when adding my name to I contact the previous name? Already 3rd parties are cleaning up vine trails, an rightlyfully so, but how to pass on the contact info? Rick (or maybe I slept through that part of the last song) For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Personals - Better first dates. More second dates. http://personals.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- In low income neighborhoods, 84% do not own computers. At Network for Good, help bridge the Digital Divide! http://us.click.yahoo.com/c9hWNA/3MnJAA/n1hLAA/yXLolB/TM ~- For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zappa-List] Vines, SOFA's way
I think I missed an important point in SOFA's instructions. The separators should be this way rather than this way . Otherwise it gets confusing when some email systems like yahoo add in the ones pointing to the replies. I'm afraid the separators for the MITB vine are all pointing the wrong way. Jim L - Original Message - From: Scott Burnett To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [Zappa-List] Vines, SOFA's way Great advice, this is a fantastic idea SOFA, It'smade me get off my ass and re-offer some longoverdue stuff.--- Jim L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok putting your email in will work too. You guys should leave spaces though or they might not get thru by clicking on them. Like this. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jim L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ima Next [EMAIL PROTECTED] Otherwise careful copy and pasting or hand typing will be needed. Just a thought ;-) Jim L - Original Message - From: Jim L To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [Zappa-List] Vines, SOFA's way I think it's to work this way. I start a vine. Jim L-US As you reply by adding your name (Jim L-USRick-??) your email address is automatically on the email you replied and added yourself with. With digest you would need to be careful to change the subject back to original and do some cut and paste I guess. Might be easier to go to the website and do your reply. Anyway when I see your reply I can email you or you can always get my email address from my original post with the offer and send me your details. This system is almost foolproof with the possible exception of 2 members replying and adding themselves to the vine at once. Even then yahoo will sort out who's email arrived there first down to the millisecond and combining can occur. I can't say I've ever seen it done this way but I think it will catch on. Seems better than just waiting around for a re-offer, and easier to keep track off than the old pre routed vines. Jim L - Original Message - From: Richard Hall To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 5:44 PM Subject: [Zappa-List] Vines, SOFA's wayOr is the problem I am getting the daily digest? Am I to watch the mail for this vine and capture the e-maiol address of the name added after me? Or when adding my name to I contact the previous name? Already 3rd parties are "cleaning up" vine trails, an rightlyfully so, but how to pass on the contact info? Rick (or maybe I slept through that part of the last song) For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Personals - Better first dates. More second dates. http://personals.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- In low income neighborhoods, 84% do not own computers.At Network for Good, help bridge the Digital Divide!http://us.click.yahoo.com/c9hWNA/3MnJAA/n1hLAA/yXLolB/TM~- For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Zappa-List] Vines, etc...
Welcome Todd! Don't let the appearance of reigning confusion fool you; we really have no idea what we're doing. Hope you enjoy your stay... Cool Zappa story, btw. Regards, SOFA - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Zappa-List@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 7:00 PM Subject: [Zappa-List] Vines, etc... hi all,i'm a fairly new member of this. the only other lists i belong to are the Tom Waits and Randy Newman ones. being a "newbie" i'm not too sure how these vines work. although i'm a newbie to this list i'm a long time FZ fan, owning most of his lps, all the way from Were Only In It For The Money, Lumpy Gravy, etc... my cousin turned me on to FZ when i was probably 14 or so, way back in the early 70s, i think it was the live white album. it was the first time i ever heard someone say fuck on a record, i was immediately hooked. i actually met Frank during my senior year in high school (1975) while interning at the local progressive FM radio station here in cincinnati. Don't You Eat the Yellow Snow was actually being played on the radio. he was in town to do a concert at the UC (University of Cincinnati) Fieldhouse and he dropped by WEBN to do an interview with ginger sutton. i got to sit in for the live interview. the reason i got to be there was because i had the most complete collection of FZ albums, which they used for the info. he arrived in a limo, came upstairs for the interview and made ginger look like a total idiot, because ginger obviously didn't know much about FZ. it was hilarious. i actually got to talk to him after the interview, but became totally tongue tied, even though i had all kinds of stuff i wanted to ask him, however i was able to ask him where i could find a copy of Lumpy Gravy which was probably the only LP i couldn't find. he thought that was pretty cool and at the time i think that was probably the album he was most proud of.well that's about it for now. might check in once in a while but glad to have found this discussion list.todd (who still can't resist saying "there's a howard johnsons, wanna eat some clams? whenever i see a howard johnsons, or whenever i order clams) hepburn Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Has someone you know been affected by illness or disease?Network for Good is THE place to support health awareness efforts!http://us.click.yahoo.com/pKxVKC/UOnJAA/n1hLAA/yXLolB/TM~- For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
