Re: [zbmethod] Re: Group A delegation

2005-12-14 Thread Gilles van den Peereboom



As for me, I'm really pleased with the no-CP cases that already exists. As most of them consists in a combination of 2 sune (or antisune, ..), these are really fast cases.Although I usually donc like to have many cube rotations during an alg so I rewrote some of Chris' T1 cases with U or U' so that I can execute them faster (I think I'm sub-3 on all these T1 cases.)
Gilles.2005/12/14, Doug Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED]:




I was refering to H1 with no EP.

That is, no CP and no EP.

My current alg sucks. Help me find a better one. I'll have to post 
all of my H1 algs this weekend.


-Doug


--- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, Bob Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 For no edge permutation, you said you don't like that case?
 F (RUR'U')*3 F'
 1.69 (2.39) 2.13 1.78 2.10 1.82 1.68 1.88 1.59 (1.56) 1.77 1.96 =
 1.84 average. For 14 moves, that's 7.6 tps average. It is a very
 nice case. :) I started cube in hands, timing with stackmat.
 
 ~ Bob
 
 --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, Doug Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
  It is H-Orientation with Diagonally swapped corners.
  
  It is a bit uncharted territory... hence it is not yet numbered. 
I 
  was waiting for Chris to finish naming those cases. He told me 
he'd 
  do this (all of them) over break.
  
  
  -Doug
  
  
  
  
  --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, Bob Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   The cases you have listed on that page...what # are they? ie - 
H1, 
  H2,
   etc?
   
   ~ Bob
   
   --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den Peereboom
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
I'm aware that I haven't listed all the cases yet but these 
are 
  the
   only one
on which I've worked on at the moment and they still need to 
be
   improved.
I'll add all the images later tonight so that you can see 
what's
   left to do
with this case (which H case is it ? H2 or something else ?)

And for the permutation image (not the 3D cube), do you have 
some
   sort of
program or do you do them yourself in paint or something ?

Thanks,
Gilles.

2005/12/13, Doug Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 This site seems to be issing some cases:
 http://www.belgiancubes.be/zbll/index.html

 There are typically 12 edge cases if you count mirrors and 
  inverses.
 Give timings for these, and write them in trigger notation.

 I typically avoid taking a lead role in things, but since 
it's 
  beeen
 rather quite and people are itching to do work I'm going 
to 
  give
 some suggestions.

 Since Jason is working on T5, he could work on improving 
those 
  algs
 and give us timings.

 Since Chris started work on U2, that is his territory.

 I have yet to get a reply about my L1 algs, I would 
especially
 appriciate it if DanH would give those a look since he 
asked 
  about
 them a while ago. (Although I'm sure he's busy lately 
since he
 hasn't even posted his L1 list yet, on his site.)

 I am going to post my H1 algs next.

 In general look though the T-Orientation cases and see if 
  there's a
 rather long one that can be beter executed.

 If anyone has other no CP algs (that are possiblity better 
  than what
 we already have), now is a good time to post them. I would
 especially like revised T1 and U1 algs, since those seem 
to be 
  the
 slowest no CP cases..., for me at least.

 If any of you want to work on unexplored territory, claim 
it 
  first
 by posting here so that we don't have people working on the
 identical thing.

 Collaborate, Divide and Conquer!


 -Doug



 --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den Peereboom
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  As you are the only one who has had the leading position,
  could you describe what it consists in ?
 
  Another possibility is giving some homework to 
everyone 
  for 3
 weeks :p
  If Doug can get us a big list of raw algorithms (so we 
need 
  to
 provide him a
  txt file with the cases), I'm sure we could have 
something 
  to do
 for that
  period.
 
  What do you think ?
 
  Concerning my case, I'll have mid-terms exams in January 
so 
  my
 time will be
  a bit limited from now on for zb-research. But I can 
surely 
  find
 at least
  one hour per day to work on zb.
 
  I hope your exams will go well :-)
 
  Gilles.
 
  NB : I learned the entire VH-F2L today :p (not so hard, 
I 
  agree.
 mostly
  intuitive algorithms)
 
  2005/12/13, cmhardw [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  
   Hey everyone,
  
   I wanted to ask basically what we wanted to do as a 
group 
  about
 the
   lead position, or group A. I honestly am willing to 
  devote the
 time
   to any of the activities in our delegation, but I 
would 
  love to
 help
   direct. I will have the free time after I 

[zbmethod] Re: Group A delegation

2005-12-13 Thread Bob Burton
The cases you have listed on that page...what # are they? ie - H1, H2,
etc?

~ Bob

--- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den Peereboom
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm aware that I haven't listed all the cases yet but these are the
only one
 on which I've worked on at the moment and they still need to be
improved.
 I'll add all the images later tonight so that you can see what's
left to do
 with this case (which H case is it ? H2 or something else ?)
 
 And for the permutation image (not the 3D cube), do you have some
sort of
 program or do you do them yourself in paint or something ?
 
 Thanks,
 Gilles.
 
 2005/12/13, Doug Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
   This site seems to be issing some cases:
  http://www.belgiancubes.be/zbll/index.html
 
  There are typically 12 edge cases if you count mirrors and inverses.
  Give timings for these, and write them in trigger notation.
 
  I typically avoid taking a lead role in things, but since it's beeen
  rather quite and people are itching to do work I'm going to give
  some suggestions.
 
  Since Jason is working on T5, he could work on improving those algs
  and give us timings.
 
  Since Chris started work on U2, that is his territory.
 
  I have yet to get a reply about my L1 algs, I would especially
  appriciate it if DanH would give those a look since he asked about
  them a while ago. (Although I'm sure he's busy lately since he
  hasn't even posted his L1 list yet, on his site.)
 
  I am going to post my H1 algs next.
 
  In general look though the T-Orientation cases and see if there's a
  rather long one that can be beter executed.
 
  If anyone has other no CP algs (that are possiblity better than what
  we already have), now is a good time to post them. I would
  especially like revised T1 and U1 algs, since those seem to be the
  slowest no CP cases..., for me at least.
 
  If any of you want to work on unexplored territory, claim it first
  by posting here so that we don't have people working on the
  identical thing.
 
  Collaborate, Divide and Conquer!
 
 
  -Doug
 
 
 
  --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den Peereboom
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   As you are the only one who has had the leading position,
   could you describe what it consists in ?
  
   Another possibility is giving some homework to everyone for 3
  weeks :p
   If Doug can get us a big list of raw algorithms (so we need to
  provide him a
   txt file with the cases), I'm sure we could have something to do
  for that
   period.
  
   What do you think ?
  
   Concerning my case, I'll have mid-terms exams in January so my
  time will be
   a bit limited from now on for zb-research. But I can surely find
  at least
   one hour per day to work on zb.
  
   I hope your exams will go well :-)
  
   Gilles.
  
   NB : I learned the entire VH-F2L today :p (not so hard, I agree.
  mostly
   intuitive algorithms)
  
   2005/12/13, cmhardw [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
   
 Hey everyone,
   
I wanted to ask basically what we wanted to do as a group about
  the
lead position, or group A.  I honestly am willing to devote the
  time
to any of the activities in our delegation, but I would love to
  help
direct.  I will have the free time after I graduate (I really do
  cube
in all of my free time, so it won't be a big change).
   
However, there is an issue.  On Dec. 19 I am leaving for
  California to
visit my Grandparents and won't be back until Jan. 6.  During
  this
time I won't have any access to the internet whatsoever.
   
In this formative period of team [zb] I don't think it would be
  good
for me to delegate, simply since I will be absent for roughly
  three
weeks very shortly.  I will take my laptop with me and analyze
  cases
and optimize algs while I am gone though.
   
My question is this, what should we do about the lead position?
  I
would love to really be a part of this group and help each of the
groups and try to do all of the group activities we need, but the
truth is that I will be absent for three weeks very soon.
   
So we need a lead, or preferably more than one in case the other
  is
absent.
   
I am more than willing to dedicate my time to team [zb] and
  would love
to do so, but I simply cannot do that until after Jan. 6 next
  year.
   
Who else wants to take over in a lead position and make sure the
  group
is directed in a good direction?
   
This organization is so awesome, and I am so excited to see us
  coming
together into a real research team.  I hope everyone has a good
holiday, and in my free time between finals up until I leave I
  will
try to do as much as I can.  I will only be able to analyze
  cases and
generate raw algs while on vacation, but after I return I will
  have
the free time and the ability to fully dedicate myself to our
  effort.
   
Let me know what everyone thinks,
Chris
   
   
   
   
   
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[zbmethod] Re: Group A delegation

2005-12-13 Thread Doug Lee
It is H-Orientation with Diagonally swapped corners.

It is a bit uncharted territory... hence it is not yet numbered. I 
was waiting for Chris to finish naming those cases. He told me he'd 
do this (all of them) over break.


-Doug




--- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, Bob Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The cases you have listed on that page...what # are they? ie - H1, 
H2,
 etc?
 
 ~ Bob
 
 --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den Peereboom
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I'm aware that I haven't listed all the cases yet but these are 
the
 only one
  on which I've worked on at the moment and they still need to be
 improved.
  I'll add all the images later tonight so that you can see what's
 left to do
  with this case (which H case is it ? H2 or something else ?)
  
  And for the permutation image (not the 3D cube), do you have some
 sort of
  program or do you do them yourself in paint or something ?
  
  Thanks,
  Gilles.
  
  2005/12/13, Doug Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  
This site seems to be issing some cases:
   http://www.belgiancubes.be/zbll/index.html
  
   There are typically 12 edge cases if you count mirrors and 
inverses.
   Give timings for these, and write them in trigger notation.
  
   I typically avoid taking a lead role in things, but since it's 
beeen
   rather quite and people are itching to do work I'm going to 
give
   some suggestions.
  
   Since Jason is working on T5, he could work on improving those 
algs
   and give us timings.
  
   Since Chris started work on U2, that is his territory.
  
   I have yet to get a reply about my L1 algs, I would especially
   appriciate it if DanH would give those a look since he asked 
about
   them a while ago. (Although I'm sure he's busy lately since he
   hasn't even posted his L1 list yet, on his site.)
  
   I am going to post my H1 algs next.
  
   In general look though the T-Orientation cases and see if 
there's a
   rather long one that can be beter executed.
  
   If anyone has other no CP algs (that are possiblity better 
than what
   we already have), now is a good time to post them. I would
   especially like revised T1 and U1 algs, since those seem to be 
the
   slowest no CP cases..., for me at least.
  
   If any of you want to work on unexplored territory, claim it 
first
   by posting here so that we don't have people working on the
   identical thing.
  
   Collaborate, Divide and Conquer!
  
  
   -Doug
  
  
  
   --- In zbmethod@yahoogroups.com, Gilles van den Peereboom
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
As you are the only one who has had the leading position,
could you describe what it consists in ?
   
Another possibility is giving some homework to everyone 
for 3
   weeks :p
If Doug can get us a big list of raw algorithms (so we need 
to
   provide him a
txt file with the cases), I'm sure we could have something 
to do
   for that
period.
   
What do you think ?
   
Concerning my case, I'll have mid-terms exams in January so 
my
   time will be
a bit limited from now on for zb-research. But I can surely 
find
   at least
one hour per day to work on zb.
   
I hope your exams will go well :-)
   
Gilles.
   
NB : I learned the entire VH-F2L today :p (not so hard, I 
agree.
   mostly
intuitive algorithms)
   
2005/12/13, cmhardw [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

  Hey everyone,

 I wanted to ask basically what we wanted to do as a group 
about
   the
 lead position, or group A.  I honestly am willing to 
devote the
   time
 to any of the activities in our delegation, but I would 
love to
   help
 direct.  I will have the free time after I graduate (I 
really do
   cube
 in all of my free time, so it won't be a big change).

 However, there is an issue.  On Dec. 19 I am leaving for
   California to
 visit my Grandparents and won't be back until Jan. 6.  
During
   this
 time I won't have any access to the internet whatsoever.

 In this formative period of team [zb] I don't think it 
would be
   good
 for me to delegate, simply since I will be absent for 
roughly
   three
 weeks very shortly.  I will take my laptop with me and 
analyze
   cases
 and optimize algs while I am gone though.

 My question is this, what should we do about the lead 
position?
   I
 would love to really be a part of this group and help each 
of the
 groups and try to do all of the group activities we need, 
but the
 truth is that I will be absent for three weeks very soon.

 So we need a lead, or preferably more than one in case the 
other
   is
 absent.

 I am more than willing to dedicate my time to team [zb] and
   would love
 to do so, but I simply cannot do that until after Jan. 6 
next
   year.

 Who else wants to take over in a lead position and make 
sure the
   group
 is directed in a good direction?

 This organization is so awesome, and I am so excited