RE: [Zen] Zen Whore

2008-09-05 Thread BillSmart
Jeni, Welcome to the group! ...Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeni Jeni Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 12:08 PM Subject: [Zen] Zen Whore I guess this is the group for me. I worked my way through law school as a stripper, and there were times that

RE: [Zen] Character Building

2008-09-05 Thread BillSmart
JMJM and AL, Zen is not a subset of Chan. Chan is a subset of zen. Chan, at least as JMJM represents it, it a religion, a subset of Buddhism. JMJM is right when he says zen does not have any spirituality. Spirituality is maya. Karma is maya. Remember, JUST THIS! Zen's difficulty is it is

RE: [Zen] Character Building

2008-09-05 Thread BillSmart
Edgar and JMJM, As regards to JMJM's comment about '...Zen may have lost a major part of Chan in Japan.', I say GOOD! The less the better! Put in down, put it all down! ONLY THIS! ...Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jue Miao Jing Ming -

[Zen] Chan in a glimpse

2008-09-05 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
There are too many scriptures, masters, terms, speeches already. Therefore, there are too many interpretations, definitions already in our mind. Therefore I shall try to use as few known terms as possible. Just read between the lines with a general understanding will be enough. Chan is a very

Re: [Zen] Zen Whore

2008-09-05 Thread Charlie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeni, Welcome to the group! I also add my support. I am a big supporter of whores and lawyers. Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit

Re: [Zen] Character Building

2008-09-05 Thread Charlie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Zen is not 'just a mind exercise'. Zen is NO- MIND. JUST THIS! That is the lesson that all people should learn. This week, as the second week of school ends, I had a moment of epiphany studying the happy retards as they spent the whole afternoon watching cartoons and

Re: [Zen] Character Building

2008-09-05 Thread Edgar Owen
Bill, I tend to agree with the thrust of your post, but we need to distinguish between Zen as I think you understand it, as just seeing what actually is, as opposed to the various sects of Japanese Zen considered as sects. True Zen as I believe you use the term is not to be found

Re: [Zen] Character Building

2008-09-05 Thread Edgar Owen
Bill, Right, let go of everything. No attachments. Only this Edgar On Sep 5, 2008, at 10:17 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Edgar and JMJM, As regards to JMJM's comment about '...Zen may have lost a major part of Chan in Japan.', I say GOOD! The less the better! Put in down, put it

Re: [Zen] Chan in a glimpse

2008-09-05 Thread Edgar Owen
JM, Good post. There is only one substance to reality, to the universe, and that is sometimes called Tao, sometimes Buddha nature, and I also refer to it as ontological energy (OE). It is the substance of everything that gives reality to reality in the present moment and it exists only

Re: [Zen] Chan in a glimpse

2008-09-05 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
Thank you, Edgar, Yes, this substance can also be called life force, Buddha, God, Universal Consciousness, IT, THIS, Big Mind, Whole, One, etc. The key is not to insist on any of its label, but sync to it at every moment. When we are in sync with it, then we know our position in the

Re: [Zen] Character Building

2008-09-05 Thread Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明
Al is always Al. Fun! I am however, hats off to you for your refusal to moderate. I am on your side. No matter how we teach, the wake up got to come from the inside. The door to Buddha is always open. It is the door to our hearts that are frequently blocked. MU in Chinese really is a