Margie,
Are you saying your satori was also 'out of the blue'?? You must be very lucky,
or you worked hard in your previous lives. Another lady spent 12 years in a
cave in the mountains, still not awakened. Do you want to know who she is? Or
you may already know.
Regards,
Anthony
--- On
Hi Margie,
I would agree with your post. I lived in Japan for 3 years and did
plenty of sitting, but my path was facilitated much more walking the
mountains with the yamabushi and in various other non-sitting events
interacting with various enlightened spirits.
Osho's quote below is spot
Hi Mike,
See my response to Margie for more. Basically my point, like Osho's
is that it is a big mistake to think that just sitting and then
forgetting about zen in daily life is all that needs to be done or
will work. Zen is mindfulness 24/7 in the daily world. That is true
meditation.
Hi Margie,
Your words when the dancer becomes the dance or
the poem writes itself. are spot on.
To my mind there are two levels of Zen. The first is just
consciousness and realization. The second is active Zen, which is to
act in the world out of Zen directly. That requires becoming
The volume/degree of act out or flow through is called
merit There is no merit by just sitting, no matter where..
Edgar Owen wrote:
Hi Margie,
Your words when the dancer becomes the dance or
the poem writes itself. are spot on.
To my mind there are two levels of Zen. The
JM,
I don't think of Zen action as adding up pluses or minuses as the
term 'merit' suggests. That may be a useful idea in ordinary
Buddhism, but Zen transcends the notion of good or bad.
Edgar
On Sep 30, 2008, at 10:35 AM, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 wrote:
The volume/degree of act out
Hi Edgar,
Of course, I agree with you 100% that zen is not confined to sitting in zazen
and then something to be forgotten while we get on with life (kinda surprised
you would assume that from my posts). That's not my point. What I'm saying is
that without a meditation it's easier to backslide
Mike,
Of course those 'masters' all have a vested interest in saying that
since they run the monasteries where people do zazen. Anyway glad you
agree with me.
Edgar
On Sep 30, 2008, at 12:35 PM, mike brown wrote:
Hi Edgar,
Of course, I agree with you 100% that zen is not confined to
roloro1557 as I said, all the overlays on my consciousness fell
away- there was no thought, no language, no nothing. The lightning
was. I was.
That is a near-death experience, similar to those where people get
incredible adrenaline rush and do superhuman things do to the
roloro1557 as I said, all the overlays on my consciousness fell
away- there was no thought, no language, no nothing. The lightning
was. I was.
That is a near-death experience, similar to those where people get
incredible adrenaline rush and do superhuman things do to the
roloro1557 I think consenting adults should have sex as much as they
want with whomever they want.
I guess you would agree that you are an amoral and/or immoral person
and that you believe that there is no such thing as morals or ethics
and you certainly would not tolerate faithfulness?
mike brown You mentioned that someone you know sat in Japan for 3
years but became bitter because they didn't experience satori during
this time.
Weren't you in Japan for three years?
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or
Anthony Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Another lady spent 12 years in a cave in the
mountains, still not awakened. Do you want to know who she is? Or you
may already know.
The old woman who lived in a shoe?
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently
Edgar Owen Of course those 'masters' all have a vested interest in
saying that since they run the monasteries where people do zazen.
HO-HO-HO, HA-HA-HA!
Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are
reading! Talk about it
Again, to each his own! It is my contention that only with strict
adherence to a disciplined practice one can dissolve the Ego. The
practice that I have followed professes the ultimate goal of Living
Zen, experiencing each moment with ALL of your Being but you must
dissolve the Ego. I have
Chris,
I agree with you. If one can realize zen by a short cut, it may need to be a
genius, or he/she already did a lot in previous lives. However, it will still
need more work to progress further. I believe it makes sense that way. If the
'cause and effect' is right, there is no such thing
Edgar! I'm surprised and disappointed with this response.
How is it you think doing anything is 'just a waste of time'?
...Bill!
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Of Edgar Owen
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To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
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Margie and Karin,
When I was involved with the Zen Center of Los Angeles in the late 60's
there were a lot of women. I'd estimate about 50:50. Also as I'm sure you
both know zen literature is full of references to enlightened women,
although I must confess that most of the stories focus on men.
Margie, WELCOME! I haven't read the book you cited, but all other books
edited by Thomas Cleary that I have read have been very good.
...Bill!
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Of roloro1557
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To:
Hi Mike,
I'm glad we agree on some things and not others, if we agreed on
everything the discussion would be pretty boring :)
Please understand, I don't think getting engrossed in a football game
is what zen is all about, though I must tell you, certain music takes
me to a place that is very
Edgar,
I haven't finished reading your paper on time. All last month I was in the
USA visiting my ailing, elderly parents and just didn't have the time to do
it justice. Maybe when I'm finished with it and am able to get back to you
with comments I will see less disagreement between us on
Hi Anthony,
Yes, my Satori was 'out of the blue' along with the lightning. Maybe I
am lucky. I don't know about my previous lives.
Please do tell me about lady who spent 12 years in a cave, I would
like to hear the story.
Margie (roloro1557)
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Hi Margie,
She is Tenzin Palmo, born Diane Perry in the UK. Her present name implies
Tibetan Buddhism. The Tibetan route of enlightenment has the same goal as zen,
but the way is very different. In other words, they are a color TV, and we are
black and white. If I were you, it would be fun to
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