Hi Mel;
Thanks for introducing yourself. Warm welcome to the group.
Mayka
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, gunnar19632000 gunnar19632...@... wrote:
Hello
Mel is my name. I'm new to the group. I follow the Quaker practise of silent
contemplation, which is not too far from what they
Hi Chris;
I never thought about: When you swim well, your intelligence is not separate
from your action. I suppose I never thought about that because I'm not much
of an inteligent person. But I'll try to pay attention how real is your
statement. Thanks!.
Mayka
--- In
Hello Chris again:
It sounds good the openeness you're experiencing. I wouldn't say that is only
zen what it changes the way a Christian new approaching but a summary of
different experiences. And the key is always to keep an open mind. Allowing
the heart to be manifested in all its non
DP and Mike,
I've seen faith and I think it's okay.Bill!
From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of DP
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 10:41 PM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.
Edgar and Ed,
Determining what is illusion is a very simple matter, and can't be put into
words at all.
Just sit. Or if you don't know how, find a zendo somewhere near you and get
some instruction, or even browse the internet. There are lots of sites that
give instructions on how to do zazen.
Kristy, The argument you present below is logical, therefore I have faith it
will solve the problem here…Bill!
From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Kristy McClain
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 12:24 AM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re:
That's brilliant advice Mayka. I do do that as much as I can. The point where
I'm no longer able to do it though..that's what's interesting to me. Not
that I actively seek that point out of course.
Rose
--- On Mon, 10/4/10, Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com wrote:
From: Maria Lopez
Anthony,
I’m disappointed you’re disappointed with Mayka for being disappointed with
TNH….Bill!
From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Anthony Wu
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 4:32 AM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don't
Chris,
You’re using the word ‘intelligence’ differently in your post than I used in my
post.
I use the word ‘intelligence’ to imply cognition, the use of reason, the use of
logic.
The way you’re using it is almost the same as Buddha Nature.
That’s not good or not bad – it’s just difference
Rose,
When I said that, I didn't mean anything deep and significant.
What I meant was, when you have a problem with [fill-in-the-blank], that's
YOUR problem. You can blame it on the object of your unease, but most of
the time you can't control the object, whether it be another person or a
even
Yes, yes I hear you totally. It's something I'm drawn to, this idea that the
problem isn't the other persons. Certainly the other way of looking at things
isn't helpful.
Rose
--- On Tue, 10/5/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote:
From: billsm...@hhs1963.org
Welcome Gunnar,
Another Aussie here. What a great thing to see.
I will be looking forward to your posts as I also study the
bible and meditate. I dont preach or belong to any çhurch (in fact its
been a while since I said anything here), I normally
Rose:
I exactly know what you mean. I have moments like this in which I can't just
sit down and staying there with what I have. Even when I know that after the
sitting down I will be feeling much better and in all the ways. Instead of
sitting down, it seems as the non sitting down energy
Maria,
My name is Kristy. Please use my correct name or don't address me at all. k
--- On Tue, 10/5/10, Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com wrote:
From: Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com
Subject: Re: RE: [Zen] Bible, God, etc.
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 5,
*chuckles* to Bill...
--- On Tue, 10/5/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote:
From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org
Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school and I won't think in your church.
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 5, 2010, 3:06
Edgar,
Sure but you both miss my point. My point is that you must use the intelligent
mind to reach the point where things happen naturally via the whole being.
I could not possibly disagree more with you. But, I do believe we each have a
right to find our own path. I think you are worlds
Bill,
Well, I am going to assume by this that you mean what we experience with our
physical senses. (Eye, ear, smell, taste, touch). So from that view, a Hellen
Keller or an autistic child or such cannot , by definition, practice zen as
well as you? Or are you saying that we each have a
An unexpected attachment reaction to an incorrect name written. Which have let
you blind to see the kindnest of my posting. Oh well, never mind.
--- On Tue, 5/10/10, Kristy McClain healthypl...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: Kristy McClain healthypl...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: RE: [Zen] Bible, God,
Rose;
Here you go and you were doing all that already. And you also start to have a
more awakened senses which help you to see things before you couldn't see, hear
noises that before you couldn't hear...that's it!. Similar experience as yours.
My sister is doing resaonable well and at the
DP,
That post was addressed to Mayka so I don't know why you felt you were called
upon on to defend the pope.
Mike
ps, you don't have to tell me about religious people disagreeing on things. It
usually involves them killing each other about whose god is the most peaceful.
Mayka,
I agree with you in the most part about the use of agression but the problem is
that sometimes assertive action is needed to highlight problem issues. That
action may include rather loud demonstrations as witnessed in London during the
pope's visit. I would never condone violence but
Kristy,
Thanks for the clarification. I would definitely agree with you that people of
faith are guided by something other than facts ; ) Also, I don't think
atheists try to disprove anything. I completely agree that faith exists - it's
just based on bad evidence.
Mike
ED,
Great article, but it's preaching to the converted in my case. I guess when you
say slaughtered you mean the wanton killing of people for something other
than
pure survival and/or defence? Killing in the name of an ideology or belief is
just pure madness and evil. And 'evilest of the
No Maria...
It is you with the attachment. You have done this often before, (and I
believe it is deliberate, as I pointed it out to you before. You have
attachment issues with me. The truth is, I don't spend any time thinking
about you. I don't know you and its difficult for me to
Anthony,
A couple of points. One religion criticising another religion is not the point
I'm making about religion having a free pass. Take politics, for example. In
the
last presidential debate 4 candidates put up their hands to swear that they
didn't believe in evolution. Was there a gasp of
Thank you, Mayka. I'm most definitely one man and not mice (I think you meant
the singular 'mouse') : )
Mike
From: Maria Lopez flordel...@btinternet.com
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 5 October, 2010 7:58:08
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my
Be re-assure that I do not have any issue with you. Nor I wrote incorrectly
your name to cause you irritation. I've lost some sight and sometimes also get
distracted. Sorry about the miss spelling of your name has caused you such a
psycological disturbance. Your saying here it comes as
Kristy,
Hmm, kinda. Most women I've met who claim to be 'feminists' seem to have a
severe lack of humour. I can appreciate that that is only anecdotal evidence
but
it seems to be a consistent theme.
Mike
From: Kristy McClain healthypl...@yahoo.com
To:
Whereabouts are you blokes from? I lived in Perth for 17 years so feel a real
connection to Australia (I'm Welsh). My son is based in Darwin with 4 RAR. Good
to see some Ockers here amongst all the septics ; )
Mike
From: Daryl Gillespie
Ladies...
From: Kristy McClain healthypl...@yahoo.com
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 5 October, 2010 22:16:12
Subject: Re: RE: [Zen] Bible, God, etc.
No Maria...
It is you with the attachment. You have done this often before, (and I
believe
Mike:
There is a certain true in what you say about labelling assertion as an
aggression. It's something that is happening more and more. This what you're
raising is actually a very good point. This point was discussed in a group of
friends while I was in Spain this last July. We were
Hi Mike,
in all honesty, I was going to be supportive of feminism, but you caught me off
guard with this. I suspect you have a good point, though I have always
thought of myself as supporting women's choices and opportunities. I actually
have a great sense of humor known by all who know
Yes Mike I meant mouse . This is another word I always get wrong and tend to
say mice instead of mouse. Thanks for the correction and not getting an
offense.
Mayka
--- On Tue, 5/10/10, mike brown uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
From: mike brown uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re:
Maria,
I appreciate your comments. Thank you for telling me you have some visual
problems. Of course, I understand that. To clarify, it isn't that I
selectively don't read your posts.. I'm just saying that sometimes I have
problems following your point when I do. Its likely a cultural
Maria,
Your comments here demonstrate that your earlier post to me apologizing were
insincere. Again, you choose not to mention me by name, which is fine.
Maria-- you do have some issues about me. Your behavior is inappropriate,
beit attachment, or passive aggresive.
Your feelings
Sincerely, I don't deal well with paranoid people. And so simply let's leave
each other alone. Is that ok?. Thank you. Mayka
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Kristy McClain healthypl...@... wrote:
Maria,
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Your comments here demonstrate that your earlier post to me apologizing were
Edgar,
For some reason your mails are coming to me garbled.
For me, I have not been as able to notice when the point of action occurring
naturally as much from intellectual activity as from zazen.
Thanks,
Chris Austin-Lane
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References:
If I may jump in here about these important subject matter...
DP asked an excellent question about the nature of illusion. Edgar
answered as chi/tao manifested itself through varius forms of illusion.
If I may elaborate further...
In Chan, we don't use the term illusion. You may notice
Not quite. It was not the last presidential debate, it was a debate among
those competing for the Republican candidacy. And no, nothing did not happen;
they were widely ridiculed in the media, and none of them won the candidacy in
the end. So no, they most certainly did not get a free pass. (In
Edgar,
From a zen perspective is not all this conceptualization unnecessary,
(like 'adding legs to a snake'?)
--Ed
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Edgar Owen edgaro...@... wrote:
JMJM,
An excellent description of the impermanent nature of forms and thus
their illusory nature with
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, mike brown uerusub...@... wrote:
DP,
That post was addressed to Mayka so I don't know why you felt you were called
upon on to defend the pope.
Perhaps because you wrote (are you listening DP?) So yes, you did address me.
Mike
ps, you don't
Edgar,
What do you think of the following anti-intellectual zen remark:
When you cross a bridge, the water underneath stops, but the bridge flows.
Is it complete nonsense? Or it has some other meaning?
Anthony
--- On Mon, 4/10/10, Edgar Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote:
From: Edgar Owen
Bill,
I am disappointed you are disappointe I am disappointed that Mayka is
disappointed with TNH. ad infinitum.
Anthony
--- On Tue, 5/10/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote:
From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org
Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: Don't pray in my school
Kristy,
I don't think Mayka is insincere, nor did she misspell your name on purpose. It
was a typo. Mayka is very conscientious. Please don't take offense. Or I will
cry under my pillow. By the way you also call her Maria by mistake.
Anthony
--- On Tue, 5/10/10, Kristy McClain
One is tempted to generalize that the nature of living is pervasive
disappointment.
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wu...@... wrote:
I am disappointed you are disappointe I am disappointed that Mayka is
disappointed with TNH. ad infinitum.
Are you then saying that there is a cause of pervasive disappointment?
Could a way to escape pervasive disappointment?
Only if one has pervasive deluded expectations?
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Jane ch...@... wrote:
One is tempted to generalize that the nature of living is
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