Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas
Thank you ED for the video. But The bailaora is pathetic!!!. Paste here something more into the real Spanish art within that gemre: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eex1aqbfP08 --- On Wed, 10/11/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com Subject: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 10 November, 2010, 23:01 Mayka: You are a passionate woman who brings life to the Zen Forum; please don't stray too far. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=ivv=QrdeD8LLoCMannotation_id=annotation_242860 --ED Form is Emptiness, the passions are the awakening. --Zen Master who used to frequent orgy-houses --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez flordel...@... wrote: ED: I've been participating a little bit too much latlely in the forum. I can't see any of my posting be useful to anyone. When this happens the best for a practicioner is to quietly let go all the chat and lurk for a while. See you later aligator, nor for a while cocrodile. Thank you for all the company you have been giving through the weeks. Mayka
[Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas
Bill, Nice succinct answer. And, question: Your zen-like statement in ungrammatical, without subject or object. Is this a zen tradition of speaking, with a view to training the mind out of its customary dualistic mode of experiencing reality? Thank you, ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, billsm...@... wrote: Mayka and Ed, Or perhaps Bill! would say: 'No effort, no judgment, no grasping, no pushing-away, no concepts - Just THIS! ...Bill! Mayka, Or perhaps as Bill might say: Whatever is happening, the practicing zenist's mind's effort is always directed toward remaining calm, alert and aware in the here and now, in the state of 'just THIS', and as much as possible without judgment, grasping, pushing away, conception-formation or comment. --ED ED: In real life and face to face with people in the arena of zen there are no women or men but just practicioners who sit down together and practice together. There is not as much chatting but all activities are made in minfulness. Mayka Mayka, You describe situations, preferences, choices and challenges that every human encounters in interactions with other humans in the normal course of life. The crucial question is: With what sort of mind does a zenist greet them all? --ED Chris, ED and all: To me is not a question about men or women but human beings. There are times I don't get on with certain type of men and there are times I find difficult to get on with certain type of women. There are very competitive men and there are very competitive women but there are also all those to whom value the most the quality contact they have with other human beings regardless they are men or women. In real life I also have some male friend to whom first encounter was a disaster and then after some disagrements and fights become very close friends. There is no difference here for as long as the person in front of us is of the same wave of thinking. Mayka
[Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas
Bill, A stink by any name is still a stink, unpleasant to those who have not reined in their aversions. OTOH, in some religious/spiritual traditions, everything is God. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, billsm...@... wrote: Ed, Since this is an e-forum I guess it would be more correctly called e-stink...Bill! Bill, Stage seven is the glow in which you are radiating yourself as truth. You will feel totally in contact with yourself, and your presence will radiate from you like a glow. This will continue until you have fully presented yourself to others. The Zen people refer to this as the Zen stink. See: http://www.godening.com/FAQ.htm http://www.godening.com/FAQ.htm Surely not stage seven already? ;-) ;-) ;-) Aromatically and thornily yours, --ED Mayka, Oh yes! And Ed has quite an aroma also. But those are just the things you have to put up with if you're going to catch a baby tiger ¦Bill!
[Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas
Bill, All questions will be anwered in the course of our dialog. However, in your opinion, judgment, knowledge, belief, observation or experience, is the first statement true or false or something else? In your opinion, judgment, knowledge, belief, observation or experience, is the fsecond statement true or false or omething else? Thanks, ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, billsm...@... wrote: Ed, In your post below you made two statements: 1. Men behave toward each other differently when women are around than when no women are around. 2. Women behave toward each other differently when men are around than when no men are around. You could only have experienced one of these. Which is it? ...Bill!
[Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas
Boll, You *appear* to have an aversion to Tibetans, Tibetan Buddhism and the Dalai Lama. If you should choose to do so, I would like to hear whether you believe that the aversion is based on compassion, and/or facts and logic and/or emotional reactivity, and/or your experiences. Thank you, ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, billsm...@... wrote: Anthony, I am definitely underwhelmed at the sayings of the Dalai Lama. He's supposed to be a big-time Buddhist leader and continues to encourage his countrymen to cling to their attachment to their culture and language. Most of his quotes sound like bumper-stickers seen on 1960-vintage cars. Don't worry about being 10,000 miles behind him. That's not necessarily so. It all depends on which direction you're traveling. ...Bill!
[Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez flordel...@... wrote: Bill: It meant to be a sarcastic joke. But anyway to participate in this forum and most of them last thing important is the practice. Mayka, Do you have an attachment to your need for 'them' to practice more? So your point here wouldn't be applicable anyway. I am not sure I understand you here, but I suspect that you are saying that persons who do not do sufficient zazen are not worth listening to. Yes? You don't shine because of your practice but because of your inteligence and being very smart, ... I agree, even though it may well swell Bill's 'no mind' head. ;-) People are not interested in zen as zen but to have a good time. And you provide that. Mayka And, do you have any objections? --ED Mayka, You don't need a high level of intelligence to understand my last post. All that's required is that you've read the posts for the past several days. I don't think your intelligence level is appreciably different than Anthony's, but that doesn't matter on this forum. Intelligence (as in IQ) is not a requirement for zen. In fact sometimes I think a high IQ is a detriment. ...Bill! Bill: You sound mysterious. I wonder what you're trying to tell me. Do remember that my intelligence is in much lower degree than the one from Anthony. Mayka Mayka, Oh yes! And Ed has quite an aroma also. But those are just the things you have to put up with if you're going to catch a baby tiger. Bill!
[Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas
Mayka, Absolutely exquisite! Thank you, --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez flordel...@... wrote: Thank you ED for the video. But The bailaora is pathetic!!!. Paste here something more into the real Spanish art within that gemre: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eex1aqbfP08 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eex1aqbfP08 Mayka: You are a passionate woman who brings life to the Zen Forum; please don't stray too far. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=ivv=QrdeD8LLoCMannotation_id=anno\ tation_242860 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=ivv=QrdeD8LLoCMannotation_id=ann\ otation_242860 --ED Form is Emptiness, the passions are the awakening. --Zen Master who used to frequent orgy-houses ED: I've been participating a little bit too much latlely in the forum. I can't see any of my posting be useful to anyone. When this happens the best for a practicioner is to quietly let go all the chat and lurk for a while. See you later aligator, nor for a while cocrodile. Thank you for all the company you have been giving through the weeks. Mayka
[Zen] Re: On the news People are going Zen without knowing it
Tim, I flatter myself that I do beter than most - but it is an illusion. I notice how difficult it is for humans, (including myself) to get rid of stuff. In my case there's an almost incurable attachment to books which attachment I am attemping to let go of. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, timg...@... wrote: Did you see on the NBC nightly news all this week they have a series of stories called Back to Basics. From their web site: Living better with less As more Americans are moving toward a more minimalist approach, Nightly News takes a closer look at the culture of less. Here is a link to past stories and likely tonight and Friday there will be more examples. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40073869/ns/nightly_news http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40073869/ns/nightly_news
[Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas
Kristy, I experience your comments as straight-forward, intelligent, informative, well-stated and a significant contribution to the dialog on the Zen Forum. I wish you could find more time in your busy schedule to hang out with us here. Be well. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Kristy McClain healthypl...@... wrote: Ed, ... That said, I find your articulate comments to be a welcome addition here. Enjoy your day. Kristy
[Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ED seacrofter...@... wrote: Mayka, yes the bailaora was relatively subdued in her performance. --ED http://www.google.com/images?hl=enbiw=1259bih=583gbv=2tbs=isch%3A1s\ a=1q=bailaora+de+flamencobtnG=Searchaq=faqi=g1aql=oq=gs_rfai http://www.google.com/images?hl=enbiw=1259bih=583gbv=2tbs=isch%3A1\ sa=1q=bailaora+de+flamencobtnG=Searchaq=faqi=g1aql=oq=gs_rfai = --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez flordel...@... wrote: Thank you ED for the video. But The bailaora is pathetic!!!. Paste here something more into the real Spanish art within that gemre: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eex1aqbfP08 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eex1aqbfP08 Mayka: You are a passionate woman who brings life to the Zen Forum; please don't stray too far. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=ivv=QrdeD8LLoCMannotation_id=anno\ tation_242860 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=ivv=QrdeD8LLoCMannotation_id=ann\ otation_242860 --ED Form is Emptiness, the passions are the awakening. --Zen Master who used to frequent orgy-houses ED: I've been participating a little bit too much latlely in the forum. I can't see any of my posting be useful to anyone. When this happens the best for a practicioner is to quietly let go all the chat and lurk for a while. See you later aligator, nor for a while cocrodile. Thank you for all the company you have been giving through the weeks. Mayka
RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas
Bill, At least one of his sayings are on the 1930 vintage car, so is valuable. That is his remark that a sex ritual should be conducted without lust. Anthony --- On Thu, 11/11/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, 11 November, 2010, 10:02 AM Anthony, I am definitely underwhelmed at the sayings of the Dalai Lama. He's supposed to be a big-time Buddhist leader and continues to encourage his countrymen to cling to their attachment to their culture and language. Most of his quotes sound like bumper-stickers seen on 1960-vintage cars. Don't worry about being 10,000 miles behind him. That's not necessarily so. It all depends on which direction you're traveling. ...Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 5:43 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas Bill, Whatever Dalai Lama says is sacred, because he is a Bodhisatva reincarnate. I try to emulate him, but found myself more than ten thousand miles behind. Anthony --- On Wed, 10/11/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 10 November, 2010, 9:23 AM Anthony, Why do you think some things are sacred and some things are not? ...Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 6:16 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas Bill, Of course, a monastry is different, as it is a place for sacred sex, in contrast to an orgyhouse, where there is nothing sacred. Anthony --- On Tue, 9/11/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 9 November, 2010, 4:46 PM Anthony, Why do you think a monastery is different from any other place? …Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 6:15 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas ED, The point is they don't let you see and learn from. If they do, what price is the ticket? I would stand in a long line to purchase it. Anthony --- On Tue, 9/11/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com Subject: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, 9 November, 2010, 6:42 AM But it is a different matter when it is performed in a monastry. What's the difference? (I think it's OK, provided engaged in on the monastery roof, for all to see and learn from. ;-) ) --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wu...@... wrote: Kristy, I appreciate your candor and enjoy your stories. I understand you had an eventless nde, but colorful sex experiences. You should be satisfied. Why should you question dharma, scriptures and the meaning of exitence? I know sex climax, LSD and ndes are all different, hard to compare. Forgetting how a senior runner should perform for the time being, my original question is how Tantra reconcile sexuality and Buddhism (LSD and nde are not yet in the game). I am not against sex, as long as it is carried out in an appropriate place, including an 'orgyhouse'. But it is a different matter when it is performed in a monastry. Anthony __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5602 (20101108) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5602 (20101108) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5605 (20101109) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5605 (20101109) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5605 (20101109) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5609 (2010) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com
RE: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas
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Re: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas
ED, You are saying (almost): everybody is a hypocrite. Is that the way the world is? anthony --- On Thu, 11/11/10, ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com wrote: From: ED seacrofter...@yahoo.com Subject: [Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, 11 November, 2010, 10:03 PM Anthony, OTOH, I observe/experience 'hypocriy' as a normal and natural mostly unconscious human trait which shows up in every person and every group (ethnic, religious, national, cultural, political, etc.) concerning certain issues and on certain occasions. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wu...@... wrote: Mayka/Kristy, Not a single doubt you can be good friends. I benefit a lot from Kristy's posts. That is a good example of sincerity, in contrast to hypocrisy now so prevalent. Probably you have not noticed that one of my motivations of my posts on Tantrism is my suspicion that they are hypocrites. If you want to play sex, there is no need to make it 'sacred'. Anthony
[Zen] Re: FW: Quote from St. Thomas Aquinas
Anthony, That's the way human nature has evolved. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Wu wu...@... wrote: ED, You are saying (almost): everybody is a hypocrite. Is that the way the world is? anthony Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: zen_forum-dig...@yahoogroups.com zen_forum-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: zen_forum-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
