JMJM and Bill:
Sorry to intrude between your both interesting conversation but I'd like to
contribute to it too:
The way I experience Just This is that the form and the non form interbeing
with each other. I would disagree with Bill here saying that excludes de
form. The form takes
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Mathematics may be defined as the subject in which we never know what
we are talking about, nor whether what we are saying is true.
--Bertrand Russell
What is your understanding of 'Samadhi'?
--ED
JMJM,
You say: Kensho『見性』 is resulted from sitting, which is a state before
Samadhi『三摩地』。 I think kensho results from sitting and it is a state after
samadhi. That is what most people think. If you think otherwise, perhaps you
had a unique experience.
You say: The Sixth Patriarch did not
Hi, Anthony
You say: The Sixth Patriarch did not even read or write. Yes, you are
right, but he asked others to read and write for him, because he was
illiterate. In other words, he had trouble with Chinese ideographic characters,
but he was very smart in understanding language. That is a
Greetings,
I apparently have been practicing a number of principles of Zen for quite
some time, albeit completely unintentionally. A lot of what I am reading
now are things I have realized through experience without external
guidance: It is very refreshing to see there are teachings for this
Bill,
只管打坐 is a Chinese phrase pronounced zhiguan dazuo in Chinese, and shikantaza in
Japanese. You cannot break them down into individual characters and try to work
out the meaning of the whole phrase, but you can separate them into zhiguan
(shikan in Japanese) and dazuo (taza). The former
Bill,
Under your guidance, I lost my ability to commit atrocities. But the whole
human socieity needs a deterrent to prevent bad elements from committing them.
Otherwise, the world will be in turmoil. What is your idea about preventing
turmoil? Or don't you think it unnecessary?
BTW, I have
Siska,
Thank you for your compliment. I am not a good teacher. How can a man of low
intelligence be a teacher, let alone a good one?
Anthony
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Lluis,
Probably both Emperor Akbhar and the Sixth Patriarch Huinent were dislexic, and
both were very intelligent as well. They have a lot in common. The Sixth
Patriarch Huineng does not belong to any Tibetan lineages such as represented
by Naropa, Tilopa etc. Huineng belongs to the lineage
Good question Lana. It would be great to have more discussion in this forum
about the nitty gritty of dealing with people in the world.
Rose
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Subject: [Zen] New Member
To:
It seems to me that traditional buddhists were able to step away from the
world and dedicate themselves to their studies, some did not even have to
do chores! Only the teachers really needed to interact with outsiders and
even then, they only really interacted with those who were interested in
JMJM,
Do you have a reference to support you position that kensho is prior to
satori?
Thanks, ED
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JMJM,
You say: Kensho is resulted from sitting, which is a state before
Samadhi
I think kensho results from sitting and it
No, Thank You. I already have much of the infant's mentality, the lack of
duality, the awareness, the no-mind - to discard all of what I have
learned so far would be to discard my true self.
The typical five year old has many concepts and ideas, they are possessive,
materialistic, extreme in
Thanks Rose; Agree with you and Lana. Let's heat this thread!, though imput
is not a guarantee amongst the readers of zen, philosophers, religious
discussions, koans headacheWhat a slap in the face to make us all come
back to the real world of the living!..
Would you be so kind to do
Lana:
The idea of the child is not as the silly child but the childlike. Very
different things. The child is inmature. The childlike is mature and wise
without knowing of being.
Mayka
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From: Lana M. Gibbons
Lana,
From your own experience (which is the only non-illusory mode of sensing
true reality that is accepted on this zen forum,) have you any evidence
that 'buddhas' exist?
Thanks,
--ED
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wrote:
No, Thank You. I already
Rose and Lana,
For an unenlightened response, the question can only be answered on a
case by case basis.
For an enlightened response, the answer is 'just THIS' in every moment.
(But that may infuriate the other if he/she is unaware of the rules of
the game that you are playing from!)
---ED
Lana,
The way in which babies normally and naturally behave is to be obsessed
with 'I/me/mine' (it's ego), with no regard whatsoever for the needs of
its mother or anyone else - and without which attitude it would not
survive.
In short, if babies had no egos, the only babies who survived for
Anthony,
Everybody is a teacher of somebody on some occasion.
Contrary individuals, in their normal state, are the best teachers -
provided one is ready for the teachings. :-)
--ED
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Siska,
Thank you for your compliment. I am
about, nor whether what we are saying is true. --Bertrand
Russell
What is your understanding of 'Samadhi'?
--ED
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Anthony,
Both you and Bill are 'right'.
--ED
Shikantaza is a Japanese term for zazen introduced by Rujing and
associated most with the Soto school of Zen Buddhism, but which also is
the base of all Zen disciplines.
According to Dôgen Zenji, shikantaza i.e. resting in a state of
brightly
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Lana:
When I'm into the discriminative mind I see and experience everything as you
are giving a description here. But when I regain inner calm and serenity, at
those moments the world seems perfect in its imperfection. Actually at those
moments I see no perfection or imperfection. Have you
2 + 3 = 5
... OR 4 OR 6 OR 7 OR ...
--ED
PS:
o Samadhi is a Hindu, Buddhist and Sikh technical term that usually
denotes higher levels of concentrated meditation, or dhyana, in Yogic
schools.
o In the Yoga tradition, it is the eighth and final limb identified in
the Yoga Sutras of
!, Mayka, etc...
There is no longer Just THIS!.
...Bill!
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So I ask: How do you interact with the people in this world?
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Hi Ed,
I don't have any position. These are my personal experience. You could
have your personal experience. Each journey of ours is unique. Each
journey is precious. What is yours? However you say it is, it is not.
Diamond sutra already repeated this over and over with 5,000 words
, There, Here, Then, Good, Bad, Bill!, Mayka, etc...
There is no longer Just THIS!.
...Bill!
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Hi JMJM,
All you can tcorrectly assert is that you have experiened something. You
cannot all by yourself tell whether what you have experienced is samadhi
or kensho.
--ED
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Hi Ed,
I don't have any position. These are my
Hi siska,
Exactly! Equivalently, Bill might say it's simply a not-flowing with
the way things are in the here and now.
--ED
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Hi Ed,
Contrary individuals, in their normal state, are the best teachers -
provided one is ready for the
Hi Bill,
Bill said:
What you didn't talk about was the experience of just seeing,
smelling, feeling and tasting. These are not forms. They are experience.
They are empty.
You place forms around them when you 'think or create the concepts of
peach, hands, lips, pleasant, etc.
Hi Bill,
Ed,
Correct. All these description are description of experience. No one
in the world can know you what you have experienced. Therefore the
description of any states is just emptiness.
Therefore these type of discussion is emptiness.. :-)
Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
Many thanks, Anthony
As far as I understand Buddhism, only different ways.
Any of them would be the appropiate for me.
Just trying to find it.
With best wishes
Lluís
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Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2010 12:33
Dear Lana,
I was taught that all encounters of ours are form. And all forms are
caused by some cause and each cause is caused by generations of causes,
visible or invisible. We call these causes karma for simplicity sake.
Please try to fulfill every encounter, because there is a reason
Anthony,
Please accept my apology. I mixed up the two English terms, I read
samma-Samadhi as Samma-sanbodhi.
You are right, Kensho is after the Samadhi.
JM
Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
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On 11/24/2010 1:24 PM, Anthony Wu
Hi Ed,
Yes, which is the cause of most sufferings.
siska
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ED/JMJM,
I think JM means kensho is prior to samadhi, which is way before satori. JM's
position is unique.
Anthony
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ED,
You say: if babies had no egos, the only babies who survived for more than a
few days would be 'buddhas' - and the population of human buddhas on this earth
would be nil.
--ED
Is there any logic in saying that? For someone of low intelligence, if the said
babies survive, the population
ED/Bill,
I think 'single-minded sitting' reflects accurately the meaning of shikantaza.
Others are derivatives.
Anthony
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